1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 8 in PWCC Auction

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Huh? Spooning deemed acceptable? Where did you read that? I don't think anyone on this forum deems spooning of cards an acceptable practice.

I read just yesterday someone say they have read plenty of times that spooning out a wrinkle is okay.

Using chemicals on cards as long as they don't smell after has been stated as okay.

I would have never dreamed that the same crowd that is upset would be okay with that.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I read just yesterday someone say they have read plenty of times that spooning out a wrinkle is okay.

Using chemicals on cards as long as they don't smell after has been stated as okay.

I would have never dreamed that the same crowd that is upset would be okay with that.

The majority of people saying it is OK are the ones doing it.

[Rich Klein]

One Note on 1952 Topps Mantles. Remember Al Rosen found that cache of unopened 1952 Hi #s circa 1986. Those cards almost all came out clean and sharp and I could tell whenever I saw a find card at shows for the next few years. This card could be (and may well be) an absolutely legit 8.

Regards
Rich

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

One Note on 1952 Topps Mantles. Remember Al Rosen found that cache of unopened 1952 Hi #s circa 1986. Those cards almost all came out clean and sharp and I could tell whenever I saw a find card at shows for the next few years. This card could be (and may well be) an absolutely legit 8.

Nobody has said that this card has any issues. Only that it's bizarre they would use PWCC to sell it at this moment.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Nobody has said that this card has any issues. Only that it's bizarre they would use PWCC to sell it at this moment.

1000% AGREED!!! A Heritage purchase to an Ebay flip in under 5 months. And to sell it on Ebay thru a seller who is currently embroiled in a scandal. Seems like awful timing to me.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

1000% AGREED!!! A Heritage purchase to an Ebay flip in under 5 months. And to sell it on Ebay thru a seller who is currently embroiled in a scandal. Seems like awful timing to me.

Bobby you probably have VCP. If you do how many PSA 8 Mantle's have been sold in a public forum in the past 12 months?

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

Bobby you probably have VCP. If you do how many PSA 8 Mantle's have been sold in a public forum in the past 12 months?

According to PSA's auction prices tracker, three PSA 8's, and one PSA 8.5 have sold (all via Heritage Auctions) in the last 12 months.

Steve

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I read just yesterday someone say they have read plenty of times that spooning out a wrinkle is okay.

Using chemicals on cards as long as they don't smell after has been stated as okay.

I would have never dreamed that the same crowd that is upset would be okay with that.

Yes, I know which comment you are referring to and I think he was just talking out of his a** when he made that statement about everyone being OK with spooning cards.

"Hi, I'm Bob, and I think it's totally OK with spooning cards! I just spooned my 51' Bowman Mantle last night! Wanna' see it? Hehe!"

Have you ever read anything like that on here, David? I haven't and I've been on here for quite a while.

And I also don't believe that people on this forum would be OK with soaking cards in chemicals. Some of these chemicals can turn your card brittle and then you know what happens next, right?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Yes, I know which comment you are referring to and I think he was just talking out of his a** when he made that statement about everyone being OK with spooning cards.

"Hi, I'm Bob, and I think it's totally OK with spooning cards! I just spooned my 51' Bowman Mantle last night! Wanna' see it? Hehe!"

Have you ever read anything like that on here, David? I haven't and I've been on here for quite a while.

And I also don't believe that people on this forum would be OK with soaking cards in chemicals. Some of these chemicals can turn your card brittle and then you know what happens next, right?

Cleaning with chemicals is generally regarded I would think as a lesser offense than trimming and recoloring, with crease removal somewhere in between, but it's all bad in my opinion.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Yes, I know which comment you are referring to and I think he was just talking out of his a** when he made that statement about everyone being OK with spooning cards.

"Hi, I'm Bob, and I think it's totally OK with spooning cards! I just spooned my 51' Bowman Mantle last night! Wanna' see it? Hehe!"

Have you ever read anything like that on here, David? I haven't and I've been on here for quite a while.

And I also don't believe that people on this forum would be OK with soaking cards in chemicals. Some of these chemicals can turn your card brittle and then you know what happens next, right?

I am no expert on any of this and just read what people have to say. As I said it seems that some of these methods that I would think constitute alteration are accepted by some and once you go from virgin cards to an attempt to improve their appearance you have started the process and there doesn't appear to be a 100% consensus on the matter.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am no expert on any of this and just read what people have to say. As I said it seems that some of these methods that I would think constitute alteration are accepted by some and once you go from virgin cards to an attempt to improve their appearance you have started the process and there doesn't appear to be a 100% consensus on the matter.

is it that you are missing the point entirely or is it going over your head? I'm not sure.

It's not whether or not it's acceptable.... It's CRIMINAL without disclosing it PERIOD.

That's the point. Head, Point. I made a funny son.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

is it that you are missing the point entirely or is it going over your head? I'm not sure.

It's not whether or not it's acceptable.... It's CRIMINAL without disclosing it PERIOD.

That's the point. Head, Point. I made a funny son.

I see so all of the collectors on this forum who have soaked cards or cleaned them have disclosed that to buyers. I seriously doubt that.

[Buythatcard]

So, if PWCC buys back the bad cards, what happens to these cards? Are they destroyed? Are they relisted along with a disclosure that they have been doctored? Do they work with PSA to update the POP reports:? Are they sent back to Moser to clean them up a little more?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

So, if PWCC buys back the bad cards, what happens to these cards? Are they destroyed? Are they relisted along with a disclosure that they have been doctored? Do they work with PSA to update the POP reports:? Are they sent back to Moser to clean them up a little more?

PSA has updated the Pop Report what they do with the cards is up to speculation

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

So, if PWCC buys back the bad cards, what happens to these cards? Are they destroyed? Are they relisted along with a disclosure that they have been doctored? Do they work with PSA to update the POP reports:? Are they sent back to Moser to clean them up a little more?

The 1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 was removed from the PSA pop report. It originally sold for over $25,000. They are supposedly being held "for law enforcement", but neither PWCC or PSA will say which agency/agencies they're supposedly working with.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I see so all of the collectors on this forum who have soaked cards or cleaned them have disclosed that to buyers. I seriously doubt that.

You know, I can't control what other assholes do. This asshole doesn't appreciate the fraud and what that dick Brent Mastro has been doing.