1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 8 in PWCC Auction

[swarmee]

#becausewetried

Nice card; consignor must be tone deaf or unaware of the current scandal.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by swarmee

#becausewetried

Nice card; consignor must be tone deaf or unaware of the current scandal.

The consignor might be aware of the current situation and not care. It could be a planned sale. It could be sold for a number of reasons.

This scandal is going to blow over just like every storm in the hobby has up to this point.

I am surprised so many people think this is going to be the demise of high grade trading cards.

The 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle is the ultimate symbol of Americana and the price might be higher or it might be lower but you are never going to see the demand for this card evaporate.

There are some who have been calling for PWCC to cancel all of their auctions and others who hope Brent ends up in jail. This might be the ultimate FU saying we still get the goods.

One revelation from this recent situation we have confirmed is that you can use a hidden reserve on PWCC auctions so the odds of this going cheap are quite low I believe.

[bobbyw8469]

This might be the ultimate FU saying we still get the goods.

I still believe this will go lower than the Heritage auction. The consignor will lose a big chunk of money and think to himself, "Why the hell did I consign with them? I don't need any help in losing money". That's just my prediction though.

[Republicaninmass]

My opinion...

Dont delude yourself. Its Brent's card. Like any crook he was going to try the ultimate caper, only now it's getting sold to pay his attorney.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Who knows..

but a lot of times you will hear a collector after a big ticket purchase just trying to get their money back to 'focus on a new direction' in their collection

It seems like this new 'focus' happens after a big ticket purchase...

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

My opinion...

Dont delude yourself. Its Brent's card. Like any crook he was going to try the ultimate caper, only now it's getting sold to pay his attorney.

So what you are saying is he bought it in the Heritage auction and now is forced to liquidate it to pay attorneys fees. Correct?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

So what you are saying is he bought it in the Heritage auction and now is forced to liquidate it to pay attorneys fees. Correct?

Makes as much sense as "this will all blow over"

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[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Makes as much sense as "this will all blow over"

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Do you still collect autographed cards?

I assume you do.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

So what you are saying is he bought it in the Heritage auction and now is forced to liquidate it to pay attorneys fees. Correct?

this is certainly possible!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

So what you are saying is he bought it in the Heritage auction and now is forced to liquidate it to pay attorneys fees. Correct?

What would the card need to reside in a '10' holder? sharper corners?? It's a big gamble, but if you have done all this "so far", I don't see why not.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

What would the card need to reside in a '10' holder? sharper corners?? It's a big gamble, but if you have done all this "so far", I don't see why not.

Yes the lower left corner is clearly an issue.

There are lots of quick flips that take place in trading cards that work and many that don't.

I just think it is very speculative to assume that this is Brent's card and he is selling to pay for his potential legal issues.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

My opinion...

Dont delude yourself. Its Brent's card. Like any crook he was going to try the ultimate caper, only now it's getting sold to pay his attorney.

My thoughts too.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

This scandal is going to blow over just like every storm in the hobby has up to this point.

I am surprised so many people think this is going to be the demise of high grade trading cards.

The 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle is the ultimate symbol of Americana and the price might be higher or it might be lower but you are never going to see the demand for this card evaporate.

There are some who have been calling for PWCC to cancel all of their auctions and others who hope Brent ends up in jail. This might be the ultimate FU saying we still get the goods.

One revelation from this recent situation we have confirmed is that you can use a hidden reserve on PWCC auctions so the odds of this going cheap are quite low I believe.

It will not be the demise for graded, but I think a correction is on the way. It won't be overnight.

In general, yes, the 52 Mantle will always be a symbol of Americana. Demand will not evaporate. This particular Mantle's final sale price is tainted, as well as ALL of PWCC'S prices.

Bobby at VCP should remove all PWCC sales prices from their services. Keeping the sales data on his site is knowingly selling false data to his customers. At the very least there should be a PWCC disclaimer. The push for this is coming.

It's not an "FU" to those who want justice. To my knowledge, this Mantle wasn't advertised like previous high "calibur" cards. A 52 Mantle PSA 8 would be pushed on all social media outlets, email blitzes, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but it just popped up on their next auction with little to no push? It's likely a Brent card being sold to pay attorney fees and reimburse customers for cards THEY altered.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bobby still has a PWCC ad covering his front page.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

It will not be the demise for graded, but I think a correction is on the way. It won't be overnight.

In general, yes, the 52 Mantle will always be a symbol of Americana. Demand will not evaporate. This particular Mantle's final sale price is tainted, as well as ALL of PWCC'S prices.

Bobby at VCP should remove all PWCC sales prices from their services. Keeping the sales data on his site is knowingly selling false data to his customers. At the very least there should be a PWCC disclaimer. The push for this is coming.

It's not an "FU" to those who want justice. To my knowledge, this Mantle wasn't advertised like previous high "calibur" cards. A 52 Mantle PSA 8 would be pushed on all social media outlets, email blitzes, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but it just popped up on their next auction with little to no push? It's likely a Brent card being sold to pay attorney fees and reimburse customers for cards THEY altered.

Removing PWCC sales from VCP would be a horrible idea. There are thousands and thousands of legit sales that must be taken into consideration that would be removed. This would give an even more false sense of card values.

I am not sure where you guys come up with these theories. There is a lot of speculation out there that to me is dangerous and inflammatory.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

Removing PWCC sales from VCP would be a horrible idea. There are thousands and thousands of legit sales that must be taken into consideration that would be removed. This would give an even more false sense of card values.

I am not sure where you guys come up with these theories. There is a lot of speculation out there that to me is dangerous and inflammatory.

the only thing inflammatory is the hemorrhoids from your mouth. Thousands and thousand of trimmed cards that He personally scammed people. And a ZER0 feedback bidder bids 1/2 million on a card. Yeah right

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

the only thing inflammatory is the hemorrhoids from your mouth. Thousands and thousand of trimmed cards that He personally scammed people. And a ZER0 feedback bidder bids 1/2 million on a card. Yeah right

You are a real piece of work.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

You are a real piece of work.

thanks

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

It will not be the demise for graded, but I think a correction is on the way. It won't be overnight.

In general, yes, the 52 Mantle will always be a symbol of Americana. Demand will not evaporate. This particular Mantle's final sale price is tainted, as well as ALL of PWCC'S prices.

Bobby at VCP should remove all PWCC sales prices from their services. Keeping the sales data on his site is knowingly selling false data to his customers. At the very least there should be a PWCC disclaimer. The push for this is coming.

It's not an "FU" to those who want justice. To my knowledge, this Mantle wasn't advertised like previous high "calibur" cards. A 52 Mantle PSA 8 would be pushed on all social media outlets, email blitzes, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but it just popped up on their next auction with little to no push? It's likely a Brent card being sold to pay attorney fees and reimburse customers for cards THEY altered.

If he is buying back all the bad cards does anyone else think that PSA could be taking care of him on the back end??

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

If he is buying back all the bad cards does anyone else think that PSA could be taking care of him on the back end??

When I emailed Steve Sloan to recommend he have the buyers of PWCC cards return them to Brent, I gave him the reasoning that if the sale never happened, the grade guarantee doesn't come into play. Why would PSA pay off cards that were doctored and submitted by Moser or Brent if they didn't have to? Wouldn't that be a fiduciary issue their stockholders would want to know about?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by swarmee

When I emailed Steve Sloan to recommend he have the buyers of PWCC cards return them to Brent, I gave him the reasoning that if the sale never happened, the grade guarantee doesn't come into play. Why would PSA pay off cards that were doctored and submitted by Moser or Brent if they didn't have to? Wouldn't that be a fiduciary issue their stockholders would want to know about?

PwCC and mosers contentions will be they had no idea we didn’t doctor any cards, prove it! You guys are supposed to be the Experts with the guarantee ...you slabbed them. Make it right....See in my mind both companies are at fault PSA can’t consistently miss that many bad cards, if they are they really suck at their jobs…… Both companies are covering their asses... It’s going to be very hard to prove that PWCC Or Moser
Allegedly doctored any cards........

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

There are some who have been calling for PWCC to cancel all of their auctions and others who hope Brent ends up in jail.

I am one of these people. Every time they continue to sell a tainted PSA card, they increase PSA's liability against the grade guarantee. They are conspiring against PSA by selling their cards. I'm not saying it's bad to sell a PSA 8 Mantle right now; I'm saying it's bad to consign it through PWCC.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by swarmee

I am one of these people. Every time they continue to sell a tainted PSA card, they increase PSA's liability against the grade guarantee. They are conspiring against PSA by selling their cards. I'm not saying it's bad to sell a PSA 8 Mantle right now; I'm saying it's bad to consign it through PWCC.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/curr...page=50&page=1


I guess. There are nearly 400 Mantle cards coming for sale this week.

Must be a lot of stupid people out there.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/curr...page=50&page=1


I guess. There are nearly 400 Mantle cards coming for sale this week.

Must be a lot of stupid people out there.

I see it everyday. Just listen to a politcal forum for proof.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/curr...page=50&page=1


I guess. There are nearly 400 Mantle cards coming for sale this week.

Must be a lot of stupid people out there.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

Only ~15 (I may have counted incorrectly) of the Mantles are blessed with stickers.

Does that mean only 15 are "conserved"?

Are the folks that bid on the stickered cards the stupid ones?

or ......

Are the 385 folks who didn't get their Mantles conserved the stupid ones?

or .....

Are the 385 folks hopeful that Moser will bid on their card(s)?

or ......

Are both true and all 400 people who buy them stupid?

If I don't bid with PWCC, am I stupid?

Are there any contingency plans to increase the size of the Vault in the near future?

Alex, I'll take PWCC for $1000

Why are house guests like dead fish? They begin to stink after three days.

[irv]

This guy from Blowout sums it up perfectly.

"You have to be mentally challenged to buy from pwcc"

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by irv

This guy from Blowout sums it up perfectly.

"You have to be mentally challenged to buy from pwcc"

Nothing Will Change....People are Naive and Ignorant.....

A Fool and His Money Are Soon Parted

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The consignor might be aware of the current situation and not care. It could be a planned sale. It could be sold for a number of reasons.

This scandal is going to blow over just like every storm in the hobby has up to this point.

I am surprised so many people think this is going to be the demise of high grade trading cards.

The 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle is the ultimate symbol of Americana and the price might be higher or it might be lower but you are never going to see the demand for this card evaporate.

There are some who have been calling for PWCC to cancel all of their auctions and others who hope Brent ends up in jail. This might be the ultimate FU saying we still get the goods.

One revelation from this recent situation we have confirmed is that you can use a hidden reserve on PWCC auctions so the odds of this going cheap are quite low I believe.

David- I don't expect the hobby to collapse over this scandal, but I would likewise be shocked if this entire matter was swept under the carpet and ignored.

PSA needs to acknowledge that they have to produce a better product, and as many collectors as possible should know about this. Then they can decide how they want to proceed. If they want to continue paying world's records for everything, at least they will be doing it with their eyes open.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The consignor might be aware of the current situation and not care. It could be a planned sale. It could be sold for a number of reasons.

This scandal is going to blow over just like every storm in the hobby has up to this point.

I am surprised so many people think this is going to be the demise of high grade trading cards.

The 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle is the ultimate symbol of Americana and the price might be higher or it might be lower but you are never going to see the demand for this card evaporate.

There are some who have been calling for PWCC to cancel all of their auctions and others who hope Brent ends up in jail. This might be the ultimate FU saying we still get the goods.

One revelation from this recent situation we have confirmed is that you can use a hidden reserve on PWCC auctions so the odds of this going cheap are quite low I believe.

This card will bring a ton of money, just watch....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by swarmee

#becausewetried

Nice card; consignor must be tone deaf or unaware of the current scandal.

thus far not that big of deal....ask 50 random people at the National. how many will think they are 'victims', how many will even know about this scandal...survey says....

Heck how are they supposed to know about the double secret probation