PSA/SGC Waiting Lines At 2019 National

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Leon

It isn't illegal to trim a card.
But if you do it over and over and/or say you didn't do it, or send it in to be graded as if nothing happened, it can be criminal. I think a pattern of deceit can easily be shown in how these cards went from one grade to other grades. And then resold to unsuspecting buyers. The fact the TPG didn't catch it is somewhat beside the point.

There will be long lines at the TPG tables at the National. Just like usual is my guess.

Understood but how do you convince a jury that altering a card is wrong when with other collectables, like paintings and books, its totally acceptable ?

[Leon]

If those art restorations aren't disclosed, and they are known about, they are still fraudulent. (in my opinion)

Originally Posted by Jim65

Understood but how do you convince a jury that altering a card is wrong when with other collectables, like paintings and books, its totally acceptable ?

[D.P.Johnson]

I imagine it won't be long before some auction house uses altered cards as an asset:

"Here we have the hobby's finest example of this item in existence. Professionally restored by world renowned conservator J. Moser, Inc."

Blah, Blah, Blah....

[Copa7]

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I think PSA will have shorter lines, at least with intelligent collectors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Copa7

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I think PSA will have shorter lines, at least with intelligent collectors.

Oxymoron.

[Johnny630]

This vicious cycle repeats itself ever decade or so......
Has been the case for years........ sadly for many this isn't a Hobby it's a Business/Industry......It's the Wild Wild West ....No Regulations..... No morals..little to no consequences for ones actions.... We all know this, with knowledge, experience, and patience we can avoid most of the garbage.

It's in PSA best interest to keep quiet, they will, and it will work for them. Dealers they will keep hush, nothing to see here everything is fine. Auctions Houses Same as above... Repeat Cycle Later at unknown time.
It's all about the Benjamin's Nothing Else Matters

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Understood but how do you convince a jury that altering a card is wrong when with other collectables, like paintings and books, its totally acceptable ?

Not all of your behaviors have to be criminal in order for you to be a criminal. I'm sure juries can understand that.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Not all of your behaviors have to be criminal in order for you to be a criminal. I'm sure juries can understand that.

Way back, there was a guy advertising "officially government authorized engraved portraits of the father of our country George Washington Only $1"

What he sent was a postage stamp with a Washington portrait stuck to a cardboard frame.

He did time.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Not all of your behaviors have to be criminal in order for you to be a criminal. I'm sure juries can understand that.

Not sure why everyone jumps to criminal court about what we can prove or wont prove or wont happen or will happen . Civil court is much easier then criminal court. Go ask O.J.