cert. numbers in proximity to cards outed on Blowout

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Stayed tuned, gentlemen.

Ahemmmm. And at least one gentlelady!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by kateighty

Ahemmmm. And at least one gentlelady!

Indeed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

22090860 1981 TOPPS BASKETBALL CARDS #20 KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR MINT 9
22090861 1972 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #72 BRUCE KISON NM-MT 8
22090862 1972 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #52 HARMON KILLEBREW IN ACTION NM-MT+ 8.5 5/11/2017 $26.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
22090864 1957 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS # LUCKY PENNY INSERT CARD EX+ 5.5
22090865 1948 BOWMAN BASEBALL CARDS #3 RALPH KINER EX-MT 6
22090866 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #1 GUS LESNEVITCH NM 7 3/27/2019 $317.51 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
22090867 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #49 BOB MURPHY NM-MT 8 MC
22090868 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #32 ROCKY MARCIANO NM 7
22090869 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #88 JOE LOUIS NM-MT 8 10/29/2017 $328.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
22090870 1952 BERK ROSS BASEBALL CARDS # JOE DiMAGGIO EX 5
22090871 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #1 FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT NM-MT 8 9/27/2017 $582.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
22090872 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #4 ABRAHAM LINCOLN NM-MT 8
22090873 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #82 REMBRANDT NM 7
22090874 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #133 JOAN OF ARC NM 7
22090875 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #135 DOLLY MADISON NM-MT 8 4/30/2017 $200.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
22090876 1933 SPORT KINGS MULTI-SPORT CARDS #35 KNUTE ROCKNE FOOTBALL EX 5
22090877 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #34 SAMMY BAUGH MAROON JERSEY VG-EX 45/17/2017 $230.50 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
22090878 1948 LEAF BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #1 JACK DEMPSEY VG-EX 4
22090879 1948 LEAF BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #17 JACK JOHNSON NM-MT 8
22090880 1948 LEAF BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #64 RAY ROBINSON NM+ 7.5
22090881 1948 LEAF BASEBALL CARDS #48 JOHNNY SCHMITZ VG 3
22090882 1939 PLAY BALL BASEBALL CARDS #56 HANK GREENBERG EX 5
22090883 1939 PLAY BALL BASEBALL CARDS #92 TED WILLIAMS EX-MT 6
22090884 1941 PLAY BALL BASEBALL CARDS #8 MEL OTT NM-MT 8
22090885 1957 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #1 TED WILLIAMS EX-MT 6
22090886 1958 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #47 ROGER MARIS EX-MT 6
22090887 1969 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #500 MICKEY MANTLE LAST NAME IN YELLOW NM 7
22090888 1956 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #150 DUKE SNIDER GRAY BACK NM 7
22090889 1955 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #164 ROBERTO CLEMENTE VG-EX 4

[Peter_Spaeth]

21752158 1951 PARKHURST HOCKEY CARDS #56 TED LINDSAY NM-MT 8
21752159 1948 BOWMAN BASEBALL CARDS #36 STAN MUSIAL NM-MT 8 9/7/2016 $8,377.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21752160 1948 BOWMAN BASKETBALL CARDS #1 ERNIE CALVERLEY NM 7
21752161 1952 BERK ROSS BASEBALL CARDS # ROY CAMPANELLA NM-MT 8 8/15/2014 $353.57 Mile High Card Company
21752162 1952 BERK ROSS BASEBALL CARDS # MICKEY MANTLE VG-EX 4
21752163 1952 BERK ROSS BASEBALL CARDS # STAN MUSIAL NM 7
21752164 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #6 JERSEY JOE WALCOTT NM-MT 8 3/23/2018 $101.68 Mile High Card Company
21752165 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #34 RAY ROBINSON VS. MARTY SERVO NM-MT 8 5/23/2017 $76.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21752166 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #43 RAY ROBINSON NM-MT 8 10/29/2017 $448.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21752167 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #49 BOB MURPHY NM-MT 8
21752168 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #65 FITZIE PRUDEN MINT 9 3/23/2018 $300.13 Mile High Card Company
21752169 1951 TOPPS RINGSIDE BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #88 JOE LOUIS NM-MT 8
21752170 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #1 FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT VG-EX 4
21752171 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #15 BABE RUTH NM-MT 8 4/11/2017 $418.99 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21752172 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #72 CYRUS H. McCORMICK MINT 9 2/23/2019 $408.00 Heritage Auctions
21752173 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #77 WILLIAM PENN NM-MT 8
21752174 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #82 REMBRANDT NM-MT+ 8.5
21752175 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #85 CHIANG KAI-SHEK MINT 9
21752176 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #88 ROALD AMUNDSEN EX-MT 6
21752177 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #89 CHRISTIAN ANDERSEN MINT 9
21752178 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #93 ADM. GEORGE DEWEY MINT 9
21752179 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #107 GEORGE C. MARSHALL NM-MT+ 8.5
21752180 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #121 EMILE ZOLA MINT 9
21752181 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #130 VICTOR HERBERT NM-MT 8
21752182 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #133 JOAN OF ARC NM-MT 8
21752183 1948 LEAF BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #1 JACK DEMPSEY VG-EX 4
21752184 1948 LEAF BASEBALL CARDS #33 HARRY LOWREY VG-EX 4
21752185 1948 LEAF BASEBALL CARDS #70 HONUS WAGNER NM 7
21752186 1948 LEAF BASEBALL CARDS #97 MARTIN MARION EX-MT 6 5/8/2017 $76.75 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21752188 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #6 BOBBY LAYNE YELLOW PANTS, ERR.BOBBIE EX-MT 6
21752189 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #6 BOBBY LAYNE YELLOW PANTS, ERR.BOBBIE NM 7
21752190 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #14 MAL KUTNER WHITE NAME ON FRONT NM 7
21752192 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #21 PAUL CHRISTMAN NM-MT 8 3/24/2019 $449.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21752193 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #34 SAMMY BAUGH MAROON JERSEY EX-MT 6
21752194 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #43 ROBERT NUSSBAUMER MAROON JERSEY NM 7
21752195 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #45 JIM WHITE MINT 9
21752196 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #98 ALFONSO DiMARCO DARK YELLOW PANTS NM-MT 8
21752197 1940 SUPERMAN NON-SPORT CARDS #30 TRAPPED IN THE GLACIER EX-MT 6
21752198 1941 PLAY BALL BASEBALL CARDS #54 PEE WEE REESE VG-EX 4
21752199 1953 PARKHURST HOCKEY CARDS #50 GORDIE HOWE VG-EX 4
21752200 1953 PARKHURST HOCKEY CARDS #46 TERRY SAWCHUK NM-MT 8 4/13/2017 $651.00 eBay (tripleplayvintagestore)
21752201 1953 PARKHURST HOCKEY CARDS #29 BOOM BOOM GEOFFRION NM 7

[Peter_Spaeth]

21714123 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #24 JIM MARTIN RED BACKGROUND VG-EX 4
21714125 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #26 BOB WATERFIELD BLACK NAME ON FRONT EX 5
21714126 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #70 PHIL O'REILLY NM 7
21714127 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #46 JACK JACOBS JERSEY #27 IN PHOTO EX 5
21714128 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #25 BUD ANGSMAN BLACK NAME ON FRONT EX-MT 6
21714129 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #73 JACKIE JENSEN RED BACKGRND, ERR.JACKEY NM-MT 8
21714130 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #90 JOE WHISLER EX-MT 6
21714136 1888 N28 ALLEN & GINTER MULTI-SPORT CARDS # JOSEPH MULVEY BASEBALL EX 5
21714138 1888 N28 ALLEN & GINTER MULTI-SPORT CARDS # TIMOTHY KEEFE BASEBALL GOOD 2
21714139 1887 N172 OLD JUDGE BASEBALL CARDS # ARTHUR IRWIN CATCH, HANDS CUPPED... GOOD 2 5/29/2017 $150.00 eBay (one-of-ones)
21714140 1887 N172 OLD JUDGE BASEBALL CARDS # BILL COLLINS SLIDING-HORIZONTAL FORMAT EX 5
21714141 1887 N172 OLD JUDGE BASEBALL CARDS # KID MADDEN BAT IN L/HAND AT SIDE EX 5

[Peter_Spaeth]

21680140 1948 BOWMAN BASEBALL CARDS #6 YOGI BERRA EX-MT 6 5/8/2017 $627.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21680141 1949 BOWMAN BASEBALL CARDS #100 GIL HODGES NM 7 7/23/2015 $210.00 Greg Bussineau Auctions
21680142 1949 BOWMAN BASEBALL CARDS #110 EARLY WYNN EX 5
21680143 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #15 BABE RUTH EX 5
21680144 1952 LOOK 'N SEE NON-SPORT CARDS #82 REMBRANDT EX-MT 6
21680145 1952 BERK ROSS BASEBALL CARDS # WILLIE MAYS NM-MT 8 8/15/2014 $1,029.11 Mile High Card Company
21680146 1932 U.S. CARAMEL MULTI-SPORT CARDS #12 MICKEY COCHRANE BASEBALL NM 7
21680147 1948 LEAF BASEBALL CARDS #1 JOE DI MAGGIO VG-EX+ 4.5
21680148 1948 LEAF BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #1 JACK DEMPSEY EX-MT 6
21680149 1948 LEAF BOXING/WRESTLING CARDS/MMA #64 RAY ROBINSON EX+ 5.5
21680150 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #1 SID LUCKMAN YELLOW BACKGROUND NM 7 9/22/2016 $6,000.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions)
21680151 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #2 STEVE SUHEY NM-MT 8
21680153 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #6 BOBBY LAYNE YELLOW PANTS, ERR.BOBBIE NM 7
21680154 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #36 BILL DUDLEY EX-MT 6
21680155 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #45 JIM WHITE VG-EX+ 4.5
21680156 1940 PLAY BALL BASEBALL CARDS #27 TED WILLIAMS VG-EX+ 4.5
21680157 1953 PARKHURST HOCKEY CARDS #50 GORDIE HOWE VG-EX 4
21680158 1953 PARKHURST HOCKEY CARDS #27 JEAN BELIVEAU NM 7
21680159 1955 TOPPS BASEBALL CARDS #123 SANDY KOUFAX EX-MT 6

[darwinbulldog]

Someone should read the whole list on the Senate floor.

[the 'stache]

Peter et all, the one thing that most surprises me when examining these altered cards is that unique identifiers are being left in place by the card doctors. These may well serve as the one saving grace for those seeking restitution.

Knowing these perpetrators are skilled enough to materially improve cards, slipping their changes past PSA in the process, one would think they'd have the foresight to spend just a few extra minutes to get rid of these obvious marks, whenever feasible. Their mere existence constitutes irrefutable evidence of alteration, analogous to a burglar leaving their fingerprints at the scene of a robbery.

Consider the back of this '53 Parkhurst Dickie Moore:



Forget the egregious whiff the graders are guilty of in not detecting trimming. And set aside, for a moment, the gnawing suspicion that PSA could possibly be complicit in something nefarious, their opinions improved upon in deference to one of their biggest clients. The card doctors know that scans of the card they are about to alter exist, for both sides. Why then would they leave these fingerprints behind?

I don't know what the PSA population is for 1953 Parkhurst Dickie Moores, nor do I care. But I wouldn't expect that mid and high grade examples shows up every day. If PSA is dutifully protecting the consumer against fraud, how hard would it be for a grader to pull up scans of the same card, say PSA 5, or higher, especially when their concerted professional opinion assigns the card a 9 grade, only the sixth one ever to grade at that level? A healthy amount of skepticism is warranted, wouldn't you agree?

These card doctors and sellers should be held accountable to the fullest extent of civil law. But it is my sneaking suspicion that they are not the biggest fish in this malodorous pond.

[brob28]

Thank you for the updates Peter.

[Peter_Spaeth]

All thanks go to the dealer on Blowout who is generating these lists.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

21714123 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #24 JIM MARTIN RED BACKGROUND VG-EX 4
21714125 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #26 BOB WATERFIELD BLACK NAME ON FRONT EX 5
21714126 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #70 PHIL O'REILLY NM 7
21714127 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #46 JACK JACOBS JERSEY #27 IN PHOTO EX 5
21714128 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #25 BUD ANGSMAN BLACK NAME ON FRONT EX-MT 6
21714129 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #73 JACKIE JENSEN RED BACKGRND, ERR.JACKEY NM-MT 8
21714130 1948 LEAF FOOTBALL CARDS #90 JOE WHISLER EX-MT 6
21714136 1888 N28 ALLEN & GINTER MULTI-SPORT CARDS # JOSEPH MULVEY BASEBALL EX 5
21714138 1888 N28 ALLEN & GINTER MULTI-SPORT CARDS # TIMOTHY KEEFE BASEBALL GOOD 2
21714139 1887 N172 OLD JUDGE BASEBALL CARDS # ARTHUR IRWIN CATCH, HANDS CUPPED... GOOD 2 5/29/2017 $150.00 eBay (one-of-ones)
21714140 1887 N172 OLD JUDGE BASEBALL CARDS # BILL COLLINS SLIDING-HORIZONTAL FORMAT EX 5
21714141 1887 N172 OLD JUDGE BASEBALL CARDS # KID MADDEN BAT IN L/HAND AT SIDE EX 5

Can anyone tell approximately how long ago this submission was done based on the certification numbers? Thanks

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Can anyone tell approximately how long ago this submission was done based on the certification numbers? Thanks

Summer 2013.
I do it by searching for a year on COMC, then filter by Graded/PSA, then sort by Recently added and go to the last page.
Here is one from Panini Father's Day set which has a 21,8xx,xxx cert number:

2013 Panini Father's Day - Studio - Lava Flow #22 - Robert Griffin III [PSA*10*GEM*MT]
Courtesy of COMC.com
So it was graded in Summer 2013.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by kateighty

Ahemmmm. And at least one gentlelady!

LOL!!! I love it!