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[griffon512]

what's the name and location of the antique store? when did you purchase it? why not seek a refund on a fake item? these aren't unnecessary probing questions. they are helpful for context.

if you came here seeking opinions from some knowledgeable folks i think you received that -- the consensus from the more knowledgeable folks here is that it is fake, and it isn't even equivocal. you have been provided some pictures and reasons why it is fake. you can get additional support for that by spending more money if you wish, but even many of the "real experts" have questionable competence (see virtually every other thread on this board). perhaps tom can point us to the truly real experts and you can get their opinion.

in any case, please let us know the answers to the questions above.

[VWruss]

Originally Posted by griffon512

what's the name and location of the antique store? when did you purchase it? why not seek a refund on a fake item? these aren't unnecessary probing questions. they are helpful for context.

if you came here seeking opinions from some knowledgeable folks i think you received that -- the consensus from the more knowledgeable folks here is that it is fake, and it isn't even equivocal. you have been provided some pictures and reasons why it is fake. you can get additional support for that by spending more money if you wish, but even many of the "real experts" have questionable competence (see virtually every other thread on this board). perhaps tom can point us to the truly real experts and you can get their opinion.

in any case, please let us know the answers to the questions above.

Rags to riches in Harrodsburg,Ky. I bought it Sunday. I am not sure if a refund is even an option at this point. I was aloof about the money only because what else can I do after being such a fool too buy it in the first place. I have never called into question anyone's competency to judge a card and appreciate the insight provided greatly but when I am personally attacked about my I integrity it really gets under my skin. Perhaps that was mo ones intent but it sure started heading that way fast. Thanks again for your help.

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by VWruss

Rags to riches in Harrodsburg,Ky. I bought it Sunday. I am not sure if a refund is even an option at this point. I was aloof about the money only because what else can I do after being such a fool too buy it in the first place. I have never called into question anyone's competency to judge a card and appreciate the insight provided greatly but when I am personally attacked about my I integrity it really gets under my skin. Perhaps that was mo ones intent but it sure started heading that way fast. Thanks again for your help.

ok. let us/me know if you want some help getting your money back. feel free to send me a direct message with your contact info.

there are a lot of indications that the card is fake. the biggest giveaway in my opinion is the tone and composition of the stock used to make your fake card is nothing close to that of a vintage card. the tone is much too dark on the back versus real e102s (google search for more back examples) and the "breakage" (how the card shows wear over time) on the back is very different than how a vintage card would show breakage. there are giveaways on the front too without even using a black light, but there is enough on the back that even a non-expert could spot a fake.

as you may be beginning to see, there is a whole cottage industry designed to produce fake vintage and other cards. the etsy store with a quantity of fake e102 cobbs is just one example.

[irv]

Originally Posted by VWruss

Rags to riches in Harrodsburg,Ky. I bought it Sunday. I am not sure if a refund is even an option at this point. I was aloof about the money only because what else can I do after being such a fool too buy it in the first place. I have never called into question anyone's competency to judge a card and appreciate the insight provided greatly but when I am personally attacked about my I integrity it really gets under my skin. Perhaps that was mo ones intent but it sure started heading that way fast. Thanks again for your help.

VWruss, what I think you're missing or don't understand being a new guy here is many have come on this site, and others, over the years looking for opinions on their cards in order to see if they can fool us.

Many 1-2 posts from newbies exist looking for opinions. Imo, these "doctors" are just looking for tips/thoughts on how to make their fakes better.
Many collectors on here, unknowning to them, give opinions that are only helping the forger get better at their craft.

If one were to say, like it has the wrong font, etc, that gives the doctor an idea what he needs to improve on.

Also, in light of the recent scandal currently going on, many on here are a little more vocal/angry when someone new comes along looking for opinions on a card that is clearly fake to them.

I honestly don't think anyone was overlly harsh/critical of you but rather just up front, as they should be.

[VWruss]

I can surely understand that. Guess best bet for me is to only collect slabbed cards at least for the near future. Not looking for perfection just authenticity.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Slabs are no guarantee of safety as you will see if you peruse the boards. The biggest thing you can do is read up on the boards, share a little from time to time and not disappear at the first "challenge." If you stick around you'll get a lot more benefit of the doubt going forward, and we really do like growing the membership of the board. It gives us more people to show-off to, sell to, buy from etc...