Industry participants' response to scandal so far -- report card

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I dont have any altered cards....

Best quote of the day. Thanks Jake.

How can you be so sure by the way? Just askin'.

[BLongley]

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BLongley

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3405

Looks like they hit SGC hard at the national last year with some big cards.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Best quote of the day. Thanks Jake.

How can you be so sure by the way? Just askin'.

Take a wild guess

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Best quote of the day. Thanks Jake.

How can you be so sure by the way? Just askin'.

I dont think my 1987 topps raw in fair grade have been altered but you are free to go through the 4000 cards to prove me wrong...

[vintagetoppsguy]

I thought I read somewhere that some of the BO guys were planning to go to the National and hang out near PWCCs table to hand out flyers to get the word to more collectors. Is that right? If so, do they planning on hanging out near PSA's table too? Would they be escorted out by security?

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I thought I read somewhere that some of the BO guys were planning to go to the National and hang out near PWCCs table to hand out flyers to get the word to more collectors. Is that right? If so, do they planning on hanging out near PSA's table too? Would they be escorted out by security?

I went to the National in 2013 in Chicago and I would have to assume this type of behavior wouldn't be tolerated and they would be removed immediately.

If they plan something like this they should stand out front of the Rosemont Center and hand out fliers as people cross the street.

Obviously all parties are reading the various boards and so they will know issues like this might be coming and will prep security in advance and potentially have their own funded security.

Bad idea to try this.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I went to the National in 2013 in Chicago and I would have to assume this type of behavior wouldn't be tolerated and they would be removed immediately.

If they plan something like this they should stand out front of the Rosemont Center and hand out fliers as people cross the street.

Obviously all parties are reading the various boards and so they will know issues like this might be coming and will prep security in advance and potentially have their own funded security.

Bad idea to try this.

Maybe they can hire some wrestling guys.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe they can hire some wrestling guys.

Peter I would expect that some parties that have been named will show up with their own private security.

A month or so back I was at the gym and saw a dude doing curls with the largest arms I have ever seen in person. I ended up close to him doing some sets and said OMG I have never seen arms that big and we shook hands and I got his Instagram name so I could follow his bodybuilding progress. It turns out he does a lot of private security I see from looking at his pics. He is the type of dude that will be hired is my bet. No one is going to run their mouth to this guy. No one.

Not only is safety obviously a concern but so would retaliation. The last thing anyone needs is someone getting in their face and a fight ensuing and then a lawsuit or jail.

If I had to bet I think a lot of the people that are saying they have plans to cause a scene or confront certain individuals will chicken out.

One thing for sure it will be an interesting show.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

Peter I would expect that some parties that have been named will show up with their own private security.

A month or so back I was at the gym and saw a dude doing curls with the largest arms I have ever seen in person. I ended up close to him doing some sets and said OMG I have never seen arms that big and we shook hands and I got his Instagram name so I could follow his bodybuilding progress. It turns out he does a lot of private security I see from looking at his pics. He is the type of dude that will be hired is my bet. No one is going to run their mouth to this guy. No one.

Not only is safety obviously a concern but so would retaliation. The last thing anyone needs is someone getting in their face and a fight ensuing and then a lawsuit or jail.

If I had to bet I think a lot of the people that are saying they have plans to cause a scene or confront certain individuals will chicken out.

One thing for sure it will be an interesting show.

Dave knowing how this hobby works half those people will be lining up to consign.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I dont think my 1987 topps raw in fair grade have been altered but you are free to go through the 4000 cards to prove me wrong...

I wouldn't spend any time looking at the 1987 Topps raw. But all those pretty 1952 Topps and 1954 Topps PSA cards likely have an altered card or two mixed in. So again, how do you know they aren't?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I wouldn't spend any time looking at the 1987 Topps raw. But all those pretty 1952 Topps and 1954 Topps PSA cards likely have an altered card or two mixed in. So again, how do you know they aren't?

He knows because there have been no lawsuits about the cards. Harm prevented.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

He knows because there have been no lawsuits about the cards. Harm prevented.

Nah but you you believe no one would file suit on a 100k fraud because too much time and effort involved and in America nobody sues for anything because of all the time and fees. Or everyone always agrees to resolve things before a lawsuit and everyone always agrees to the numbers about how much a card is worth

The value of a card is never argued. Everyone is being paid back to their satisfaction, harm prevented.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Nah but you you believe no one would file suit on a 100k fraud because too much time and effort involved and in America nobody sues for anything because of all the time and fees. Or everyone always agrees to resolve things before a lawsuit and everyone always agrees to the numbers about how much a card is worth

The value of a card is never argued. Everyone is being paid back to their satisfaction, harm prevented.

Agree.

Number 1 for PSA is be quiet.....Sure they're gonna say all the right thing during this time... Crisis Management Mode for Newport Beach.
They will weather the storm....people only care about money...... as long as people keep buying in that there product will bring their cards the most money they will continue to thrive.
The Lines at this Years National Will Prove My Theory
It's a Sad State Of Affairs

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree.

Number 1 for PSA is be quiet.....Sure they're gonna say all the right thing during this time... Crisis Management Mode for Newport Beach.
They will weather the storm....people only care about money...... as long as people keep buying in that there product will bring their cards the most money they will continue to thrive.
The Lines at this Years National Will Prove My Theory
It's a Sad State Of Affairs

Deny Minimize Contain Deflect Reassure

Repeat the same empty slogans. Maybe they even believe them?

And -- as the song from Evita goes -- the money kept rolling in.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I wouldn't spend any time looking at the 1987 Topps raw. But all those pretty 1952 Topps and 1954 Topps PSA cards likely have an altered card or two mixed in. So again, how do you know they aren't?

I dont have those cards anymore that were in the PSA registry. So you wouldnt spend any time looking at the 1987 topps raw but yet find it hard to believe I know they were not altered?

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I dont have those cards anymore that were in the PSA registry. So you wouldnt spend any time looking at the 1987 topps raw but yet find it hard to believe I know they were not altered?

So all you have now is a bunch of 1987 Topps raw cards in your collection? No more PSA cards anymore? How do you manage all the excitement there?

[warrior1978]

I went through 142 pages on the blowout cards forum seeing if I formerly owned any of the altered cards and to save scans of cards I may have been interested in the future had this scandal not been opposed.

I was specifically interested in Cobb cards. For statistically purposes, I found 13 altered prewar Ty Cobb cards in those 142 pages. They were T206s, T205s, D304 and T227s. 11 had been goofed by PSA and 2 goofed by SGC.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

So all you have now is a bunch of 1987 Topps raw cards in your collection? No more PSA cards anymore? How do you manage all the excitement there?

I have some PSA cards not on the registry. You want to go through my 1974 Topps PSA 3 commons? I will say they are unaltered as well. I always on the lookout for old high dollar cards and sometimes I have a bunch sometimes I dont. Right now I know I dont have any altered cards. However you are free to look through my raw 1987 topps and low grade 1974 topps and the like..

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I have some PSA cards not on the registry. You want to go through my 1974 Topps PSA 3 commons? I will say they are unaltered as well. I always on the lookout for old high dollar cards and sometimes I have a bunch sometimes I dont. Right now I know I dont have any altered cards. However you are free to look through my raw 1987 topps and low grade 1974 topps and the like..

You make me smile Jake. Thank you.