Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[steve B]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

correct..if there are no lawsuits its not enough of a problem...usually even when there are no criminal charges there are at least civil lawsuits...if you dont see any civil lawsuits then you can forget criminal charges etc..

its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't

I was trying to point out how ridiculous the idea that there's no problem because nobody has sued anyone yet is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

I was trying to point out how ridiculous the idea that there's no problem because nobody has sued anyone yet is.

Good luck with that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

E121 Ruth 17K gain. SGC. Also graded at National. Good show.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3405

And featured by SGC on Facebook.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3407

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

E121 Ruth 17K gain. SGC. Also graded at National. Good show.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3405

And featured by SGC on Facebook.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3407

WTF. They spotted the nearly invisible erasure on a T206 I'd owned since the early 80's but didn't spot that one?

Why do I always get the graders that can see?

Or do I need to tape a 50 to the card saver?

[ullmandds]

that e121 ruth was once mine!!! i sold it through REA a few years ago. It was pen on the back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

WTF. They spotted the nearly invisible erasure on a T206 I'd owned since the early 80's but didn't spot that one?

Why do I always get the graders that can see?

Or do I need to tape a 50 to the card saver?

Or give to Brent to submit?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Or give to Brent to submit?

I really shouldn't complain, the card is still a really nice looking common, I'd hoped for a 50, maybe 60 and it still got a 40 even with the erasure.

But the one on that Ruth is really bad. It may look ok ish, but the contrast enhanced view it stands out much more than the light stains.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I had a buddy submit a gorgeous T3 to SGC they caught erased pencil that I missed and had to use a loop to be sure I was really seeing it.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

E121 Ruth 17K gain. SGC. Also graded at National. Good show.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3405

And featured by SGC on Facebook.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3407

It looks like REA sold it prior to being altered. I wonder if Brent bought it, as he did the WWG DiMaggio.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It looks like REA sold it prior to being altered. I wonder if Brent bought it, as he did the WWG DiMaggio.

I know someone who'd know who bought it!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I know someone who'd know who bought it!

Someone who knew told me who bought the DiMaggio, but I'm not sure history will repeat itself.

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3429

[steve B]

Let me guess how this goes.

Lets say me... Lawyer X, I've been defrauded out of $2000. I want to sue!
Lawyer X. Did you try to get your money back
Me no, I'm too mad and want to sue!

Maybe make the next line by lawyer X multiple choice
a)Security!
b)The small claims forms are online/At the courthouse
c) show yourself out, I'd do it, but that would only make your bill larger.
d) Of course! My retainer is $XXXXX
e) Of course! I haven't lost one in a while and it's good to stay humble.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by steve B

Let me guess how this goes.

Lets say me... Lawyer X, I've been defrauded out of $2000. I want to sue!
Lawyer X. Did you try to get your money back
Me no, I'm too mad and want to sue!

Maybe make the next line by lawyer X multiple choice
a)Security!
b)The small claims forms are online/At the courthouse
c) show yourself out, I'd do it, but that would only make your bill larger.
d) Of course! My retainer is $XXXXX
e) Of course! I haven't lost one in a while and it's good to stay humble.

Tell that do the buyer of that 60k card that sold for 5k months earlier in an much lower graded holder and there are before and after pictures of an alteration... Just an example, just saying there are more examples of people that bought altered cards than guys that bought cards for less than 1000, plus people may of bought more than one 'issue' card which adds up

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by steve B

I was trying to point out how ridiculous the idea that there's no problem because nobody has sued anyone yet is.

Doesnt mean its a problem. but there are problems and there are PROBLEMs....its not like the united states is not a litigious country. Always here stories of people suing for anything with disregard to costs and their time.

Theres a been a whole lot of talk with zero lawsuits..

[tschock]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Always here stories of people suing for anything with disregard to costs and their time.

Man bites dog.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tschock

Man bites dog.

When my daughter was very little she bit my wife. My wife bit her back. My daughter never bit again (true story).

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

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[Misunderestimated]

Was there any discernible drop off in the prices of the cards at the last PWCC auction for the "prime cards".etc . I know it's not much of a sample size yet. I just wondered and it seems like there are people paying attention on the message boards.