Is CC Sabathia a Hall of Famer?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Close but no cigar. Who cares about strikeouts? An out is an out. Career 3.71 ERA, 1.26 WHIP--Good, not great.

Better than Jack Morris, especially when you compare each to their contemporaries.

[Sogcollector]

Not sure but IMO Kershaw is far from a HOF and will likely barely make it to 200 wins, much less 250. Too many miles on that elbow.

[scotgreb]

IMO Sabathia is likely in and Kershaw is a lock -- 3 Cy Young awards and top 5 in 7 consecutive years + an MVP

Sabathia, CC 1999 Topps33T PSA 10 05324421.jpg

[Mountaineer1999]

Maybe? If so then Schilling, Tiant, and Kevin Brown go in also?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Maybe? If so then Schilling, Tiant, and Kevin Brown go in also?

Schilling would be in if he wasn't so detestable.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Maybe? If so then Schilling, Tiant, and Kevin Brown go in also?

While I'm no fan of Shilling the person I have no problem with any of those three making the hall.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

The only players with 3000 K that are not in the hof are CC, Clemens and Schilling. I think all 3 will be elected.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Sogcollector

Not sure but IMO Kershaw is far from a HOF and will likely barely make it to 200 wins, much less 250. Too many miles on that elbow.

You're not going to have a lot of company on that one and Kershaw has back problems not elbow problems.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Sogcollector

Not sure but IMO Kershaw is far from a HOF and will likely barely make it to 200 wins, much less 250. Too many miles on that elbow.

3 Cy Young awards, an MVP award, 7x All-Star, career winning percentage is essentially .700, career ERA of 2.41, a career WAR of 65+ in 12 years. Even if he has a career ending injury tomorrow those numbers dictate he is in... right now!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

3 Cy Young awards, an MVP award, 7x All-Star, career winning percentage is essentially .700, career ERA of 2.41, a career WAR of 65+ in 12 years. Even if he has a career ending injury tomorrow those numbers dictate he is in... right now!

Lock. No question. It's just a damn shame his post-season performance has been such a relative disappointment. Otherwise, a generational pitcher, and by all indications a fine individual as well.

[sycks22]

100% lock. Top 5 pitcher for a decade, Cy Young. On a side note I'm pretty sure his pants could be used as a parachute if the team plane went down.

[alaskapaul3]

The easy thing to do would be to have automatic HOF qualifications like they do in Japan. 250W 3000Ks and 500 saves jump off of the page, but the cheaters have ruined that.

But CC is a lock for the HOF and with 3 or 4 more good seasons Kershaw is a first ballot HOF

[Jim65]

CC is borderline, he'll get in, not first ballot though.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

3 Cy Young awards, an MVP award, 7x All-Star, career winning percentage is essentially .700, career ERA of 2.41, a career WAR of 65+ in 12 years. Even if he has a career ending injury tomorrow those numbers dictate he is in... right now!

+1 - Add in 9.7 Ks per 9 innings; an even “1” WHIP; a 4.27 K/BB ratio and 11 consecutive seasons of a sub-3.00 ERA (of which 3 of those were sub-2.00)! His regular season numbers are uncanny and possibly merit him a top 10 pitcher status.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hall of Stats rates Kershaw as 28th all time which again seems about right to me. Interestingly, he rates MUCH higher than Koufax to whom he is often compared.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Hall of Stats rates Kershaw as 28th all time which again seems about right to me. Interestingly, he rates MUCH higher than Koufax to whom he is often compared.

Kershaw compares to his contemporaries much better than Koufax does to his.

Koufax was dominant and put up great numbers in an era when pitchers put up much better numbers than they do today.

Kershaw put up similar numbers to Koufax in an era where pitchers put up far inferior numbers.

And I'm a MASSIVE Koufax fan.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Sogcollector

Not sure but IMO Kershaw is far from a HOF and will likely barely make it to 200 wins, much less 250. Too many miles on that elbow.

Live ball era leader in career ERA (by a LOT) , already has more great seasons than Koufax. He's a no-brainer.