So what's safe to buy?

pokerplyr80 · #1 06-17-2019, 11:14 PM

There's risk in every transaction. Look at the mess another member got into making a legitimate Ebay sale and dealing with PayPal. You can let it ruin the hobby for you, keep you on the sidelines for a while and see what happens, or just accept it and try to minimize the risk as best as you can. I will be going with the last option I mentioned.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 06-17-2019, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

There's risk in every transaction. Look at the mess another member got into making a legitimate Ebay sale and dealing with PayPal. You can let it ruin the hobby for you, keep you on the sidelines for a while and see what happens, or just accept it and try to minimize the risk as best as you can. I will be going with the last option I mentioned.

For me this just confirms what I've known all along and I've had a methodology for trying to minimize the risk of altered cards for a long time. I'm waiting for a bit to see more certs exposed so I know whether I have to adjust my methodology at all, and I've completely punted one seller from consideration, but I think in the end it will continue to be proceed with caution rather than give up.

Kenny Cole · #3 06-17-2019, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For me this just confirms what I've known all along and I've had a methodology for trying to minimize the risk of altered cards for a long time. I'm waiting for a bit to see more certs exposed so I know whether I have to adjust my methodology at all, and I've completely punted one seller from consideration, but I think in the end it will continue to be proceed with caution rather than give up.

I have tried to be cautious as well. At this point, I'm going pretty slow. It is fair to say that I still want new and better vintage cards. But at this point, if I'm sure of anything, I'm sure they won't be from PWCC, nor will I give much credence to anything that PSA, Beckett, or even SGC has to say. If I have the least doubt, I'm not going there right now.

I watched another one of my white whales get sold last night and I wasn't even tempted to bid. Didn't trust it. A year ago, I would have been all over it. Would have bid more. So it goes.

pokerplyr80 · #4 06-18-2019, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For me this just confirms what I've known all along and I've had a methodology for trying to minimize the risk of altered cards for a long time. I'm waiting for a bit to see more certs exposed so I know whether I have to adjust my methodology at all, and I've completely punted one seller from consideration, but I think in the end it will continue to be proceed with caution rather than give up.

Yea that's really all we can do if we want to continue in this hobby which should bring enjoyment, not stress and aggravation. I get enough of that in real life.

I've always wanted a signed Ruth or Ruth/gehrig ball, but I've heard for years how many fakes are out there. There won't be any before and after shots to expose the fakes for those. But when the time is right I will try to educate myself and hope some of the autograph experts here will be willing to assist.

IMAXMAX · #5 06-18-2019, 12:50 AM

Zeenuts!

perezfan · #6 06-18-2019, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yea that's really all we can do if we want to continue in this hobby which should bring enjoyment, not stress and aggravation. I get enough of that in real life.

I've always wanted a signed Ruth or Ruth/gehrig ball, but I've heard for years how many fakes are out there. There won't be any before and after shots to expose the fakes for those. But when the time is right I will try to educate myself and hope some of the autograph experts here will be willing to assist.

Consider a period Yankees team-signed ball. It’s a very safe bet if you know what to look for. The secretarial versions of Ruth and Gehrig are quite easy to identify, and stand out like sore thumbs. They can be easily avoided.

Single-signed balls present much more problems, if you have authenticity concerns.

Bpm0014 · #7 06-18-2019, 07:43 AM

So what's safe to buy?

Type I photos

bbcard1 · #8 06-18-2019, 07:47 AM

I think it's all fine. Just like always you need to be careful.

BeanTown · #9 06-18-2019, 08:36 AM

Postcards!!!! No need to trim and not as conditioned sensitive as most other issues. Not too mention, many collectors like the writing on the back with the stamp still on it. Nothing like having a USPS validation as to the mailing year.

Tyoe 1 photos and Postcards would be my vote

pokerplyr80 · #10 06-18-2019, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Consider a period Yankees team-signed ball. It�s a very safe bet if you know what to look for. The secretarial versions of Ruth and Gehrig are quite easy to identify, and stand out like sore thumbs. They can be easily avoided.

Single-signed balls present much more problems, if you have authenticity concerns.

I would have authenticity concerns with any ball purchased but will attempt to learn how to spots the obvious fakes or secretarial signatures at least. I would prefer a single or dual signed ball for aesthetic reasons but am not opposed to a nice team signed ball as long as Ruth and Gehrig would be legible and not too crowded by others.

calvindog · #11 06-18-2019, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For me this just confirms what I've known all along and I've had a methodology for trying to minimize the risk of altered cards for a long time. I'm waiting for a bit to see more certs exposed so I know whether I have to adjust my methodology at all, and I've completely punted one seller from consideration, but I think in the end it will continue to be proceed with caution rather than give up.

Greta Garbo and Winston Churchill cards.

calvindog · #12 06-18-2019, 11:09 AM

I'm staying away from high grade PSA cards which I pretty much always have. Collecting rare cards that are not rare due to condition solely is probably a better way to go.

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