Sgc stepping up!

[oldjudge]

The doctors are better than the graders, all graders, period.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

The doctors are better than the graders, all graders, period.

I agree ALL the graders at PSA and Beckett suck at their jobs. As bad as they are it would not surprise me if they got paid to pass those altered cards. People just can't be that bad at their jobs and keep them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I agree ALL the graders at PSA and Beckett suck at their jobs. As bad as they are it would not surprise me if they got paid to pass those altered cards. People just can't be that bad at their jobs and keep them.

There are lots of disturbing allegations on BO about a warm and fuzzy relationship between Beckett and some of the notorious modern trimmers. And an epic thread about supposedly favorable grades for an ex employee.

[pokerplyr80]

This is actually pretty clever marketing as well as great timing. Great for collectors too as you can send cards in trying for a crossover bump. If not successful you're only out 10 bucks + shipping. Just make sure you're sending in cards that if successful will have created enough value to cover the grading fees you will be charged.

Also great for those worried about cards that may or may not be altered and part of this Moser scandal. If nothing else you can get the cards out of holders with cert numbers that have been called out on blow out.

[RiceBondsMntna2Young]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

If nothing else you can get the cards out of holders with cert numbers that have been called out on blow out.

...so like, use SGC to rinse your dirty cards is your suggested angle?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by RiceBondsMntna2Young

...so like, use SGC to rinse your dirty cards is your suggested angle?

I'm talking about the list of cert numbers that was posted with no evidence at all. My guess is many of those cards are fine, but the suspicion could hurt sales in the future, especially if one of those guys creates another post while an auction was live. I would not be happy if I owned one of those cards and if there was nothing done to it I'd still want it in a new holder.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm talking about the list of cert numbers that was posted with no evidence at all. My guess is many of those cards are fine, but the suspicion could hurt sales in the future, especially if one of those guys creates another post while an auction was live. I would not be happy if I owned one of those cards and if there was nothing done to it I'd still want it in a new holder.

My own presumption would be that if a card doctor submits a card, it's at least reasonably likely it's altered. It may not be, but I sure as hell wouldn't assume it isn't.

[Republicaninmass]

IMO New grading is terrible. A PSA 8 (slight mc on back) became an sgc 4.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My own presumption would be that if a card doctor submits a card, it's at least reasonably likely it's altered. It may not be, but I sure as hell wouldn't assume it isn't.

True, I wouldn't assume anything one way or the other. Short of sending it in for a review or second opinion there isn't much else that can be done. If the "experts" at PSA, SGC, or BGS can't tell if a card is altered or not I doubt I will be able to.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I agree ALL the graders at PSA and Beckett suck at their jobs. As bad as they are it would not surprise me if they got paid to pass those altered cards. People just can't be that bad at their jobs and keep them.

Including SGC

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Including SGC

Am I missing something?

Or are you talking about the horrible autograph part of the company that they thankfully shut down?

Personally I would prefer them to stick strictly to cards. In my experience they do a damn fine job with them.

[Leon]

SGC is still my go to grader (and of course an advertiser here) but I don't always agree with their assessments. I doubt I would agree with any of the TPGs all of the time though. They are all human so far...

Originally Posted by bnorth

Am I missing something?

Or are you talking about the horrible autograph part of the company that they thankfully shut down?

Personally I would prefer them to stick strictly to cards. In my experience they do a damn fine job with them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

SGC is still my go to grader (and of course an advertiser here) but I don't always agree with their assessments. I doubt I would agree with any of the TPGs all of the time though. They are all human so far...

All this is still better than no third party graders with 2 middle aged guys who think they know everything and will break deals over 1 dollar of shipping arguing over what a 'Near Mint' Card is on an ebay transaction.

How many more cards would be returned percentage wise if no third party graders...40%? who knows