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Ryan, I disagree with you. This read provides a detailed explanation as to why our Social Security program is a form of socialism: https://www.investopedia.com/article...-socialism.asp
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Seeking very scarce/rare cards for my Sam Rice master collection, e.g., E210 York Caramel Type 2 (upgrade), 1931 W502, W504 (upgrade), W572 sepia, W573, W575-1 E. S. Rice version, 1922 Haffner's Bread, 1922 Keating Candy, 1922 Witmor Candy Type 2 (vertical back), 1926 Sports Co. of Am. with ad & blank backs. Also T216 Kotton "NGO" card of Hugh Jennings. Also 1917 Merchants Bakery & Weil Baking cards of WaJo. |
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-VENEZU...8AAOSwUUldQ2wY
This 1966 Rose, in a PSA slab labeled a Venezuelan, looks a lot like a US issue to me. The reds on the back of the card look subdued, which is similar to what I've seen in the US issued cards. The Venezuelan cards usually have deep reds on the card backs. Thoughts? Is this card legit or did PSA mislabel it? |
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The first card is the one you are referring to, the second one is a bona fide 1966 Topps Venezuelan Pete Rose. It's obvious PSA screwed up again.
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Correct, the slabbed Rose is NOT a Venezuelan.
On a semi-related note, WTF happened to this thread??
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Actively collecting Carl Yastrzemski ! Also 1964 & 68 Topps Venezuelans |
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Regarding the bolded, I started collecting Venezuelans this year, and have thought about contributing to this thread. I have a bunch currently out with PSA, but will try to post pics soon of the cards I have in my possession. |
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My “WTF happened” comment was about the political talk. Please DO share as many pics of Venezuelan cards as you’d like!
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Actively collecting Carl Yastrzemski ! Also 1964 & 68 Topps Venezuelans |
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At the National, I was able to see a 1968 Venezuelan album for the first time ever, and it was partially filled with NM looking cards which had been glued in.
What was most interesting about the album was the distribution of the cards between the 4 series. 1st series cards 1-109 are the most plentiful, while 2nd series 110-198 aren't far behind (this album was about 65-75% completed in series 1-2)... but by the 3rd series, it became obvious there were significantly fewer cards (3rd series completion 25-30%), and by the 4th series, they were nearly extinct (4th series completion 15-20%). It made me wonder whether the 3rd and 4th series cards were so rare that packs could barely even be found to buy, which I think is indeed the case as opposed to lack of interest... I just don't think Venezuelan baseball card collectors just stopped collecting as a group when the 3rd series hit, I just don't think they printed nearly as many. This correlation is true within my own collection as well, there is no doubt in my mind the 3rd and 4th series cards had a more-limited production and probably not nearly enough were produced to meet demand. The Ryan rookie card is still very rare relative to other non-Venezuelan cards, but Maris (330), Banks (355) and the All-Star cards of Aaron, Yaz, Morgan, Carew & B. Robinson are extremely rare. Also of note, John Rumierez, who traveled and lived in Venezuela during the 1980's and was a big collector of these cards, is under the impression that card 152, World Series with Yaz, was never produced with the correct back, it can only be found with the checklist on the back. I also agree with this, but would love to be proven wrong. In the album, the Marichal checklist, which has the 152 back, has been glued into album spot 152, while the Yaz WS card with the checklist back was glued into spot 107, which is the number of the checklist. What's also interesting is the ad on the back cover of the album... the product is Corona brand orange-flavored chewing gum. Corona looks to be both a candy manufacturer and a candy shop which presumably sold packs of the cards. It's distinctly possible they were responsible for the printing and distribution of the albums. This album has a similar look to it as the 64, 66 and 67 albums. |
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I need opinions. To me it looks like 2 genuine and 2 reprints.
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All four are legit. As a rule of thumb on 1972 Venezuelans, if there is any evidence of the card being glued into an album it is the real deal, if the back is clean with absolutely no evidence of ever being placed into an album it is one of those mid 2000's counterfeits. The cards on the left are the legit cards and the cards on the right are examples of the counterfeit cards. It's very easy to see the difference in font on the Sadecki in Action card, the Martinez and McAndrew cards are a little more difficult but the difference in font can be seen by comparing the names. The legit cards also have clearer photos. I don't know if the #105 Sadecki card was ever counterfeited.
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