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1. I wasn't buying from or consigning to PWCC in the first place. |
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166 | 34.87% |
I will no longer buy from/consign to PWCC. |
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163 | 34.24% |
I will continue to buy from/consign to PWCC. |
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78 | 16.39% |
I haven't decided |
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69 | 14.50% |
Voters: 476. You may not vote on this poll |
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Guy's got a huge PSA collection. No wonder he's running shadow interference/deflection. Many of the nay-sayers are just people with huge investments in PSA/BGS, have spent a ton with PWCC and are just here to protect their investments.
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Yes I do have a huge PSA collection.
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I don't agree with Dave obviously on some of this but the attacks on him are unfair. He's a good man in my opinion. His point of view is that fraud is pervasive so if you want to keep collecting at all, it isn't rational just to selectively cut off the fraudster of the day, you have to be careful everywhere. I get that.
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By telling us he's laughing at us for having principles? Great guy.
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I laughed at the idiots who burned Nike apparel and the idiots who threw away expensive razor blades too. |
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This is exactly what I am getting at. |
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But I would hardly label PWCC as "the fraudster of the day". Fraudster of the decade is certainly a more accurate moniker. The breadth of deception documented on the BO threads dwarfs anything else we've seen. And that's just focused on the alterations... the shill bidding (and PWCC's justification of doing so) is a whole different subject. |
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Net 54-- the discussion board where people resent discussions. ![]() My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/ Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 06-13-2019 at 05:58 PM. |
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Your vast contributions to this topic and this forum are much appreciated, and you are far more diplomatic than most of us will ever be... If the PWCC evidence of corruption doesn't dwarf anything else we've seen, I honestly cannot think of what beats it. Maybe Operation Bullpen, where the FBI exposed the Marino Family? But this case isn't nearly put to bed! On BO, they are continuing to unearth new examples every day, with no end currently in sight.... Often to the tune of 5-figures PER CARD. The Marinos were creating fake Mantles that sold for a couple hundred bucks each. That's chump change compared to what's being exposed as we speak. |
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To participate just like you. It seems the only opinion that is allowed is I won't do business with PWCC. I am one of the collectors who simply will look at all cards that come for sale. |
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Oh lord. As if you aren't allowed your opinions. You are the one "laughing" at people for standing up for what they believe in. Remember when I said "You do you". I do.
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Does anyone else see that this guy is essentially saying ignore people who commit fraud, just buy cards anyway. lol Great guy seems legit. A I expected to take this seriously?
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If you spend all your time trying to tip toe around every shady hobby character, you’re not going to enjoy the hobby.
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I don't pretend to know what is right I just know that cards change hands outside of PWCC that could just as easily change hands through them. There is no magic formula to completely avoid fraud in the sports collectibles hobby. It exists. You do the best you can. Everyone is at different point in their collection. It is easier for someone with few graded cards to say the hell with the hobby. I have a lot so naturally I hope the hobby moves forward. I just believe that there is no perfect way to completely insulate yourself from issues and cutting off the main source of highly collected trading cards is a lot tougher than many think. |
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