Jackie Robinson older brother Mack ~ 1936 Olympic sprinter in German set

[stone193]

Mack Robinson is not dissed in this photo. This card shows round 1 heat 12 of the 100m dash. It is not the finals

Thanx for the information.

Would never have known this from the album.

Here's the article where I got the info on his qualification:

[stone193]

This card shows round 1 heat 12 of the 100m dash.

Did you mean 200m dash for this card?

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by stone193

Did you mean 200m dash for this card?

No, 100 meters. There were twelve heats in round 1 of the 100m dash. There were only 8 heats in round 1 of the 200m dash. When I wrote my reply the third sentence should have said "It is not the finals of the 200m" rather than "It is not the finals". I could see where that may cause confusion. I just corrected that sentence in my original reply.

[stone193]

Thanx for the reply Michael.

I have no knowledge of olympics.

When I saw the thread, it reminded me I had this album that I picked up in a lot of WS programs. Had no idea Robinson had a brother in the olympics.

The only card of the 200m race in my album is the one I posted.



The only info I knew was what was on my scan regarding the trials and Mack.

Appreciate the information.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by stone193

Thanx for the reply Michael.

I have no knowledge of olympics.

When I saw the thread, it reminded me I had this album that I picked up in a lot of WS programs. Had no idea Robinson had a brother in the olympics.

The only card of the 200m race in my album is the one I posted.



The only info I knew was what was on my scan regarding the trials and Mack.

Appreciate the information.

The card you show is from the Mühlen Franck set. Mühlen Franck Kaffee issued these cards. These were a more standard card size and printed on regular cardstock unlike the Reemstma aka Sammelwerk set which was printed on thin paper. The Franck's were probably the first true Olympic only card set and they covered the Winter Olympics in Garmisch-Partenkirchen and the Summer Olympics in Berlin. The set was purportedly 200 cards though no official checklist was issued. The first Olympic basketball card was in this set. It shows an American player (William Wheatley?) making a layup. There are three Jesse Owens' cards in the set - 100m, long jump and the card you have for the 200m. There is also a card of the silver medal winning Canadian Ice Hockey team and at least two cards showing Adolph Hitler.

[stone193]

Wow Michael - I didn't see this card when running thru them!

Outdoor basketball!

I looked up the '36 roster but they don't include jersey numbers.

And, on one web, I found a list of who used what numbers in the olympics - unfortunately #12 doesn't go all the way to 1936.

Thanx for all the info.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by stone193

Wow Michael - I didn't see this card when running thru them!

Outdoor basketball!

I looked up the '36 roster but they don't include jersey numbers.

And, on one web, I found a list of who used what numbers in the olympics - unfortunately #12 doesn't go all the way to 1936.

Thanx for all the info.

The U.S team at the Olympics was different then it is now. There was an Olympic qualifying tournament. Universal Pictures won, McPherson Oilers finished second and the University of Washington finished third. As the winners, Universal was able to place 7 players on the 14 man roster - Duane Swanson, Carl Knowles, Carl Shy, Sam Balter, Frank Lubin, Art Mollner and Don Piper. McPherson got 6 players - Joe Fortenberry, Jack Ragland, Bill Wheatly, Francis Johnson, Tex Gibbons and Willard Schmidt. The University of Washington got 1 - Ralph Bishop. They decided that the Universal members would get the first 7 numbers and the other players the rest. Additionally, they would alternate games. The first round was a walkover. The second round the Universal players beat Estonia on August 9. They got a bye in the third round. In the quarterfinals McPherson/UWashington players beat the Philippines on August 12. In the semifinals the Universal players beat Mexico August 13. The gold medal game was the McPherson/UWashington players beating Canada August 14. Since the McPherson/UWashington players won the gold medal game they attended the medal ceremony. It appears that only five players were allowed to attend the medal ceremony. Bill Wheatly received the gold medal and laurel wreath on the medal stand. The other players at the ceremony were Jack Ragland, Willard Schmidt, Joe Fortenberry and Ralph Bishop.

All of this information was provided to me in 1998 by Frank Lubin. He wrote a letter to me providing this information and identified all of the players on a photo of the medal ceremony. Lubin is generally considered one of the greatest basketball players before the advent of professional basketball. His parents were born in Lithuania. After the Olympics he would coach the Lithuanian national team (Americans of Lithuanian descent) to the Eurobasket championship in 1937. In 1939 as player/coach of the team they won the championship again. He is considered the grandfather/godfather of Lithuanian basketball. He used the Lithuanian version of his name, Prakas Lubinas, while playing over there.

As noted on the back of the card, this is the game versus the Philippines. As noted above, the McPherson/UWashington players competed in this game as it was the second game played by the U.S.

[HR JR]

Originally Posted by Michael B

The card you show is from the Mühlen Franck set. Mühlen Franck Kaffee issued these cards. These were a more standard card size and printed on regular cardstock unlike the Reemstma aka Sammelwerk set which was printed on thin paper. The Franck's were probably the first true Olympic only card set and they covered the Winter Olympics in Garmisch-Partenkirchen and the Summer Olympics in Berlin. The set was purportedly 200 cards though no official checklist was issued. The first Olympic basketball card was in this set. It shows an American player (William Wheatley?) making a layup. There are three Jesse Owens' cards in the set - 100m, long jump and the card you have for the 200m. There is also a card of the silver medal winning Canadian Ice Hockey team and at least two cards showing Adolph Hitler.

I was checking through the threads looking for some help with this set. I purchased a Lot of the Reemtsma (Band II) cards and was surprised to find that they were printed on such thin paper. The other question I had, and I was hoping you could help me with, is are there different sizes for these cards?

I find online that the cards measure about 5" x 7" but the ones I purchased measure about 4 3/4" x 3 1/8"

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by HR JR

I was checking through the threads looking for some help with this set. I purchased a Lot of the Reemtsma (Band II) cards and was surprised to find that they were printed on such thin paper. The other question I had, and I was hoping you could help me with, is are there different sizes for these cards?

I find online that the cards measure about 5" x 7" but the ones I purchased measure about 4 3/4" x 3 1/8"

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Hi,

There were two sizes of inserts for the Olympia books. I do not want to call them cards or photos. They are not cards and I would not equate them with true photographs any more than one I would cut out of a magazine. They were 8 cm x 12 cm and 12 cm x 17 cm and were issued solely to be glued into the books. Remember that these are sized in metric. There were both color and black and white inserts. I do not know how they decided which would be color and which would be black and white and which would be smaller versus larger. I have the 1932 book handy. Babe Didrikson was on 3 small inserts and one large all black and white. Ellen Braumüller, German gold medalist in javelin is large and in color as is Lillian Copeland, American gold medalist in discus. All of the medalists is decathlon have small individual color inserts and are on a large color one in the medal ceremony. At one time I also had probably a complete set of unmounted cards from 1936 Band 1 & 2 (Volume 1 in 1936 was the winter games, Volume 2 was the summer games). I did notice that any insert that featured 'der Neger', German for 'the Negro', appears to be in black and white, though Edward Gordon winner of the long jump in 1932 got a large card.

The thinking behind these was that you would acquire the book then purchase a bilder-gruppe (photo group) for that book. The envelope that contained inserts listed the numbers on the outside so you knew which ones were included as they were not consecutive. You needed to acquire all of the envelopes to complete the set. Since Reemstma also did other subject books the envelopes were numbered. For instance 1936 Olympia Band 1 had bilder-gruppe(s) 53 through 56. Envelope 55 had the large inserts, the remainder were small. There were 50 in each small envelope and 25 in the large for 175 inserts for that book. The envelopes were also identified on the outside with 'Die bilder der Sammlung "Olympia 1936 Band 1 (or 2) - The images of the collection Olympia 1936 Band 1. I know there were 175 inserts in the 1936 Band 1 (winter). I believe there were 200 inserts for Band 2. You can actually find people from Germany selling complete unmounted sets for Band 1 and Band 2 in their original envelopes. I even recall seeing someone selling the complete group for both Bands for 1936 in the original mailing box. They should not be that expensive. In my opinion the people trying to get $5 and up for the individual inserts or over $30 dollars for a complete volume is blowing smoke out of there rectum. They are not rare and are not that valuable. I will say they are nice to reproduce. I made 8x10 photos of the one showing Jack Shea and had him sign them back in the late 1990s. I also made photographs of others to go with autographs I was selling.

I hope this answers your questions.