1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

One of the comments you have made is that many collectors are so heavily invested in PSA that they have no incentive to change or appear concerned about recent findings. I think this is true and reinforces my belief the risks are too high for collectors to run from their PSA collections.

Maybe. I am not sure what to think at this point honestly, I'm bouncing around from hour to hour on what I think will happen. After I see another disastrous card I start thinking people have to care at some point; then later I think well maybe not just too many people invested in the status quo.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe. I am not sure what to think at this point honestly, I'm bouncing around from day to day on what I think will happen.

I don't play in the really expensive segment of the market but I am someone who has submitted a lot of cards that are in my own collection and so the game doesn't stop just because of a bad call.

I have tried to track down cards in a specific grade for years and you need people to get totally turned off from graded cards to have things change significantly.

What else do many of us have to do? We like to collect cards and so grading creates challenges that are really tough and make trying to keep searching worth while. You can still rip packs for the price range of cards I collect and so hunting in many cases is still possible. Grading is the final step in the process for me. I got to catch the fish first and then go to the weigh station. If it doesn't get the grade I want I generally keep it and just keep trying.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I don't play in the really expensive segment of the market but I am someone who has submitted a lot of cards that are in my own collection and so the game doesn't stop just because of a bad call.

I have tried to track down cards in a specific grade for years and you need people to get totally turned off from graded cards to have things change significantly.

What else do many of us have to do? We like to collect cards and so grading creates challenges that are really tough and make trying to keep searching worth while. You can still rip packs for the price range of cards I collect and so hunting in many cases is still possible. Grading is the final step in the process for me. I got to catch the fish first and then go to the weigh station. If it doesn't get the grade I want I generally keep it and just keep trying.

I can't even remember the last time I opened a pack. Having known about this fraud for years I've been pretty diligent and follow a number of rules but even then there is only so much you can do.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I can't even remember the last time I opened a pack. Having known about this fraud for years I've been pretty diligent and follow a number of rules but even then there is only so much you can do.

I have never been able to keep one pack sealed I have bought in the last ten years.

So many times I said I am going to keep this one sealed and cave pretty quickly.

When it goes your way it is ridiculously fun. I ripped a 1985 Topps WWF rack box and it was amazing. I bought a few packs as a kid but any money I could get my hands on was going to 85 Topps baseball instead looking for a Dwight Gooden so it was incredible to get to tear through a box. I self subbed a Hogan Yellow 10 and a Roddy Piper too. This keeps people like me addicted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I have never been able to keep one pack sealed I have bought in the last ten years.

So many times I said I am going to keep this one sealed and cave pretty quickly.

When it goes your way it is ridiculously fun. I ripped a 1985 Topps WWF rack box and it was amazing. I bought a few packs as a kid but any money I could get my hands on was going to 85 Topps baseball instead looking for a Dwight Gooden so it was incredible to get to tear through a box. I self subbed a Hogan Yellow 10 and a Roddy Piper too. This keeps people like me addicted.

Yeah for many of us of course packs are where it all started. As pure as it gets. The closest I have come in some time was breaking my own rule and buying a raw card from a seller I normally am very cautious with -- a fairly pricey Brady rookie. Huge scan, I just couldn't see any possible issue with it. Submitted it and sure enough got a 10.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah for many of us of course packs are where it all started. As pure as it gets. The closest I have come in some time was breaking my own rule and buying a raw card from a seller I normally am very cautious with -- a fairly pricey Brady rookie. Huge scan, I just couldn't see any possible issue with it. Submitted it and sure enough got a 10.

I bet you were excited when you saw the screen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I bet you were excited when you saw the screen.

I think I waited for the box. But yeah. I mean the whole thing on one level is absurd, it's now worth 6x or more what I paid.

[MULLINS5]

I was going to start building high graded PSA vintage (1910/1911, PSA 8+ 1951 Parkies, etc) sets this year but nope, can't do it with all that's going on. No way. I'm doing these raw and in binders instead and that's coming from a loyal PSA customer of 15 years.

I am invested emotionally in a PSA/DNA set (signed79.com) and will finish getting that upgraded and slabbed, but no more PSA projects for now.