1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

[Mark17]

1390 of these things have been graded, and until this one, zero achieved a 10. I can see risking $3k for a possible $25k - I understand the concept - but the odds would have to be a little better to make it a good play. Here we're talking about trying to achieve a grade that had never been given for this card in the history of PSA.

I generally agree, it looks like what appears to have happened, happened. But I base that on not being able to see how any grading manipulation could have taken this card through the process, not on the smartness of the play.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

1390 of these things have been graded, and until this one, zero achieved a 10. I can see risking $3k for a possible $25k - I understand the concept - but the odds would have to be a little better to make it a good play. Here we're talking about trying to achieve a grade that had never been given for this card in the history of PSA.

I generally agree, it looks like what appears to have happened, happened. But I base that on not being able to see how any grading manipulation could have taken this card through the process, not on the smartness of the play.

If he had an inside grader at PSA, he could make an incredible fortune just doing reviews, he wouldn't have to alter cards at all. He obviously has a tremendous eye, and he is an expert at 52 Bowmans by reputation, he probably saw one he thought might finally be the one and went with the opportunity.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If he had an inside grader at PSA, he could make an incredible fortune just doing reviews, he wouldn't have to alter cards at all. He obviously has a tremendous eye, and he is an expert at 52 Bowmans by reputation, he probably saw one he thought might finally be the one and went with the opportunity.

Peter, would you mind writing this question down so when he’s under oath we don’t forget to ask him?

[pokerplyr80]

The personal insults and piling on the guy who spent close to 30k on what appears to be an altered card should have no place on this site.

The lack of understanding on why someone would gamble to turn a 3k card into a 25 to 30k card if he knows how to do so is hard for me to believe. Have you guys never placed a bet before? He only has to make it work 1 time in 8 for this to pay off.

Is it certain the card was recolored? It's hard for me to tell from the scans but perhaps the spots in question were simply removed.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

The personal insults and piling on the guy who spent close to 30k on what appears to be an altered card should have no place on this site.

The lack of understanding on why someone would gamble to turn a 3k card into a 25 to 30k card if he knows how to do so is hard for me to believe. Have you guys never placed a bet before? He only has to make it work 1 time in 8 for this to pay off.

Is it certain the card was recolored? It's hard for me to tell from the scans but perhaps the spots in question were simply removed.

I am also surprised at how many people are disbelieving that Moser would alter a "9" in an attempt to try for a "10." Three grand is a small amount to risk, considering how much Moser has already been shown to have profited from his alterations.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If it bumped cert would be the same, no?

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If it bumped cert would be the same, no?

Yes

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If it bumped cert would be the same, no?

Not if cracked out and resubmitted. I would be too risk adverse to try that myself but for someone with a higher net worth I could see it happening.

A lot of assumptions are being made in these threads from a before and after picture that in some of these cases may not even be the same card.