1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by steve B

So it's being returned?

Where does it eventually end up?
With PWCC?
With PSA?
With the card doctor?

If it simply all gets returned, I believe it will simply either get reslabbed after a crackout still a 10 but with a new cert number. Or gets a slight ding, and gets reslabbed as a 9 again with a new number, and we start all over again.

The whole level of fraud and deception bestowed upon us by a few players is sickening.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The whole level of fraud and deception bestowed upon us by a few players is sickening.

It’s not just a few players. It’s hundreds of crooks in this hobby, some big, some not so big, big there’s fraud in every corner of it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It’s not just a few players. It’s hundreds of crooks in this hobby, some big, some not so big, big there’s fraud in every corner of it.

Noah's Ark time.

[T205 GB]

Hey guys. Someone told me a dead horse beating was going on. Did I miss it or do I have some time to get a few licks in?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Hey guys. Someone told me a dead horse beating was going on. Did I miss it or do I have some time to get a few licks in?

get it going...Brent Mastro deserves a good horse whipping. it's the very least we can do to show Brent Mastro our appreciation for all the good he has done.

[nolemmings]

Back to the Musial, this is why I am really suspicious of PSA's involvement. It seems to me incredibly unlikely that someone would take a PSA 9 of a vintage superstar and doctor it in "hopes" of a 10, thereby risking discovery of the alteration by the TPG and a tanking in value. And who knows if you get the 10 even if you're not caught, that grade being so subjective. IMO, the only way you take that chance is if you are cock-sure you are going to beat the grader or if you somehow know that you will.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Back to the Musial, this is why I am really suspicious of PSA's involvement. It seems to me incredibly unlikely that someone would take a PSA 9 of a vintage superstar and doctor it in "hopes" of a 10, thereby risking discovery of the alteration by the TPG and a tanking in value. And who knows if you get the 10 even if you're not caught, that grade being so subjective. IMO, the only way you take that chance is if you are cock-sure you are going to beat the grader or if you somehow know that you will.

Risk reward. When you are making that much money you can take risks here and there for huge upside. If it goes south, a few K down the drain, so what.

[Bram99]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Back to the Musial, this is why I am really suspicious of PSA's involvement. It seems to me incredibly unlikely that someone would take a PSA 9 of a vintage superstar and doctor it in "hopes" of a 10, thereby risking discovery of the alteration by the TPG and a tanking in value. And who knows if you get the 10 even if you're not caught, that grade being so subjective. IMO, the only way you take that chance is if you are cock-sure you are going to beat the grader or if you somehow know that you will.

I refuse to believe that someone would take the chance to have the card cracked out, found to be altered, and turn from a "9" to "authentic" with the corresponding loss in more than 90% of it's value. The poster is dead accurate here. This is the best sign I have seen yet that this was not just Moser/PWCC but that there had to be a third actor of some kind.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Back to the Musial, this is why I am really suspicious of PSA's involvement. It seems to me incredibly unlikely that someone would take a PSA 9 of a vintage superstar and doctor it in "hopes" of a 10, thereby risking discovery of the alteration by the TPG and a tanking in value. And who knows if you get the 10 even if you're not caught, that grade being so subjective. IMO, the only way you take that chance is if you are cock-sure you are going to beat the grader or if you somehow know that you will.

+1. Who the hell has balls big enough to take a 9 of a fairly big time card/player and alter it hoping for a 10. Even if he knew for sure that you could successfully make all the alterations without detection, what makes him think he wood get a 10 when there none previous. HUGE balls or the fix was in from the getgo. This one seems to indicate the latter

Edited - I just read all the posts after the quote. I do believe the Doctor could make a business risk-reward proposition on $3k - the ups are worth the downs. The problem is there were NO/ZERO 10’s previously. Risking $3k to get an 8x multiple return makes sense. But not when the historical odds of achieving that goal is nil. I guess there always could be a first, but shouldn’t that have alerted psa? All these 52 Musials graded and never a 10 and then one just comes out of nowhere?

[Rhotchkiss]

Mess up. See edited post above - it’s not the dollars, but the odds.

Regardless, it’s a shame what this a@@hole has done to amazing pieces of American history. I hope something very bad happens to Gary Moser.

Ryan Hotchkiss (and Gary, I will gladly meet you in person if you take exception to my post)

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It’s not just a few players. It’s hundreds of crooks in this hobby, some big, some not so big, big there’s fraud in every corner of it.

But the biggest Fraudster of them all is Brent Mastro...The Ring leader.

[Fuddjcal]

I'm sure you have a boat load of fake cards UFFDAH if you have been working with Brent Mastro in this fashion.

I would get an attorney IMMEDIATELY and sue the snot out of that cheater liar scum bag. He is not your friend. He is a smiling grifter. Very sorry for your loss, but it's probably just the beginning for you.