PWCC Statement on Recent Card Trimming Concerns

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by swarmee

PSA does not certify their autograph opinions under the grade guarantee

Nor does SGC since forgery is a federal offense they advise to contact the fbi!

[Bored5000]

Here is the response from PWCC that I received about a Moser card I purchased that was probably cleaned but not altered:

"Thank you or reaching out to us about this card. At this time we are working to address those cards which have been trimmed, recolored, have corners built up, etc. The card you purchased is not obviously altered and we don’t have enough evidence to determine yet that it is. Please be patient while we work through the clearly altered cards; if there are any issues with any of your past purchases we promise we will get to you soon. Thank you for your assistance on this.

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Thank you!

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Marketplace"

[swarmee]

Was the card just less dirty, or were stains removed? Did the image lose clarity because of the soaking?
If it was one of those 1951 Bowmans with previous wax stains, I would say those were very likely chemically cleaned.
However, since you first tried to get made whole by PWCC, you should now go to PSA.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Was the card just less dirty, or were stains removed? Did the image lose clarity because of the soaking?
If it was one of those 1951 Bowmans with previous wax stains, I would say those were very likely chemically cleaned.
However, since you first tried to get made whole by PWCC, you should now go to PSA.

The card is a 1900 Cope's Golf Card of Old Tom Morris. The card was previously purchased by Gary Moser and was apparently in PSA 2 slab before I bought it in a PSA 4 slab.

There are before and after photos in posts 79 and 82 of the linked thread.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269583&page=2

[swarmee]

Going from a 2 to a 4 wouldn't likely just be from light cleaning. I'm guessing there was also a crease pressed out. The before card wouldn't have gotten a 2 just from light staining, IMO.

[MULLINS5]

That card is altered.

A few hundred and they won't return it. Sad.

Betsy probably wrote that email from her 1.5 million dollar home.

ANY card Moser had his hands on should be eligible for a refund.

ANY card PWCC sold is suspect and should be eligible for a return.

Sorry this happened to you.

[swarmee]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=105
Just this page alone from yesterday:
T206 Piedmont Nap Lajoie from PSA 2 to 4
1954 Bowman Mantle from PSA 4 to 6
1948 Leaf #1 Joe DiMaggio PSA 6 to PSA 7
1954 Topps Al Kaline RC #201 from PSA 6 to 7
1969 Topps Mickey Mantle #500 from BVG 5.5 to PSA 8
1933 Goudey #53 Babe Ruth BVG 2.5 to SGC 3
1952 Topps Look 'N See Babe Ruth #15 PSA 6 to 8
1914 Cracker Jack Ray Fisher #102 PSA 2 to 3
1914 Cracker Jack Josh Devore #47 PSA 1 to 3
1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Ty Cobb PSA 3 to 5
1914 Cracker Jack Nap Lajoie #66 PSA 2 to 2: still gained $664
1952 Bowman Stan Musial #196 PSA 9 to 10: Value gain of $25,300.03

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Here is the response from PWCC that I received about a Moser card I purchased that was probably cleaned but not altered:

"Thank you or reaching out to us about this card. At this time we are working to address those cards which have been trimmed, recolored, have corners built up, etc. The card you purchased is not obviously altered and we don’t have enough evidence to determine yet that it is. Please be patient while we work through the clearly altered cards; if there are any issues with any of your past purchases we promise we will get to you soon. Thank you for your assistance on this.

​
Thank you!

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Marketplace"

"Please be patient while we work through the clearly altered cards."
??? I thought you were releasing a list of ALL cards involving Gary Moser so that the present owners can determine if their cards have been altered???

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Here is the response from PWCC that I received about a Moser card I purchased that was probably cleaned but not altered:

"Thank you or reaching out to us about this card. At this time we are working to address those cards which have been trimmed, recolored, have corners built up, etc. The card you purchased is not obviously altered and we don’t have enough evidence to determine yet that it is. Please be patient while we work through the clearly altered cards; if there are any issues with any of your past purchases we promise we will get to you soon. Thank you for your assistance on this.

​
Thank you!

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Marketplace"

Doesn't the phrase "clearly altered cards" jump out at anyone else? That they sold some that were obvious, along with some that weren't? That sounds like the type of thing that would get hammered by the lawyers on Boston Legal.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Doesn't the phrase "clearly altered cards" jump out at anyone else? That they sold some that were obvious, along with some that weren't?

Well, now they have the hindsight of before and after pictures despite not calling that "evidence" in the past.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Doesn't the phrase "clearly altered cards" jump out at anyone else? That they sold some that were obvious, along with some that weren't? That sounds like the type of thing that would get hammered by the lawyers on Boston Legal.

Boston lawyers are notoriously sharp, true.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Boston lawyers are notoriously sharp, true.

But not well reasoned.