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Old 06-05-2019, 09:26 PM
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That is pretty much the position I am in. I have a Moser card that I purchased through PWCC over two years ago.
Start with PWCC and let us know what happens, I guess.
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Old 06-05-2019, 09:29 PM
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It's up to you the collector to figure out if you have problem cards. We aren't going to help.

And if you do, don't bother us, call the seller.

If the seller is "unknown," we'll help you.

By the way, the incredible array of altered cards you're seeing on message boards -- don't worry, PSA is well-versed in detecting fraud.
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Start with PWCC and let us know what happens, I guess.
Here is a copy of the message I sent to PWCC. I have pretty much zero optimism that there will be any understanding or accommodation from PWCC, but I guess we will see.

"Hello,

I purchased a 1900 Cope's Golfers Tom Morris card from PWCC for $757.76 plus $8 shipping.on May 23, 2017. With what has come to light in recent weeks, I now believe the card was consigned by Gary Moser and was previously in a PSA 2 holder before being altered/soaked. Had I known the card came from Moser and was likely tampered with, I never would have bid on the card.

I am reaching out to you to see what PWCC plans to do for customers who purchased Moser cards that were altered and now reside in higher-graded PSA holders?

Would you kindly advise me of the company's position for those customers who purchased Moser cards from you?

Sincerely,
Eddie Smith"
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Well, the guys on the PSA message board are lining up to "kiss the ring" and show PSA how loyal they are so they won't get banned.

If they think that we should add "conserved" cards into the regular pool of PSA cards, I would recommend PSA blow up the Sacred Cow Set Registry and start from scratch. All cards need to go through review to be added back to a set registry if they change the grading standards! But again, they'd have to OPENLY DECLARE THAT THEY CANNOT DETECT ALTERATIONS.

No reason to allow conserved cards 30 years after Set Registry implementation when people have been paying thousands/hundreds of thousands over the cost of ALTERED cards to have the best graded sets. It will cause a water-down effect that will hurt the major investors in cards.

Oh, but it happened in comic books. It must be fine. Again, if PSA can tell the difference, and they're charging up to $5,000 per card because they CLAIM THEY CAN, why should anyone accept them punting on determining the quality of a card and slabbing alterations as unaltered?
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