PWCC Statement on Recent Card Trimming Concerns

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by swarmee

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/eye-appeal

"On average, PWCC Certified cards have consistently sold for 130-200% of average market. Our desire is to empower investors with a consistent and unbiased eye appeal assessment overseen by Brent Huigens, the founder of PWCC and a card expert with more than 25 years of experience in the industry. All pre-1987 trading cards with a market value over $250 are eligible for eye appeal review."

It says the eye appeal assessment is overseen by him, not that he's the one actually doing the assessment (unless it says it somewhere else). But even if he is, do you really think he remembers every card he handles? Remember, these are being purchased by Moser as certain grade with a certain serial number and coming back for consignment with another grade and another serial number.

Reach in your pocket and pull out your change. Study each coin carefully. Now go spend them. Do this every day for the next 6 weeks and let me know if you get any of that same change back from another store within the next 6 weeks. This is basically what people are asking Brent to do - identify every card he's ever handled. Let's be realistic.

[swarmee]

American caramel Honus Wagners just grow on trees?

Edit: I remember the time as a kid I got an 1859 Indian Head penny in change.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by swarmee

American caramel Honus Wagners just grow on trees?

You're picking one rare card at random to make a point. No, they don't grow on tress, but apparently T206 Cobbs do as many as have been altered.

[swarmee]

D@vid, if the devil does ever need an advocate, you be his #1 draft pick. As the Mythbusters would say, that myth is BUSTED!

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by swarmee

American caramel Honus Wagners just grow on trees?

Edit: I remember the time as a kid I got an 1859 Indian Head penny in change.

Seriously. What a f****** shame. And same with the e90-1s; at least the Joe Jax was already altered so it’s not like the alteration made it any less altered, more altered is still altered

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Seriously. What a f****** shame. And same with the e90-1s; at least the Joe Jax was already altered so it’s not like the alteration made it any less altered, more altered is still altered

Sorry Leon!! I will mind my language. My bad, sincerely

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Seriously. What a f****** shame. And same with the e90-1s; at least the Joe Jax was already altered so it’s not like the alteration made it any less altered, more altered is still altered

Kinda like trimming an already sheet cut Wagner maybe.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It says the eye appeal assessment is overseen by him, not that he's the one actually doing the assessment (unless it says it somewhere else). But even if he is, do you really think he remembers every card he handles? Remember, these are being purchased by Moser as certain grade with a certain serial number and coming back for consignment with another grade and another serial number.

Reach in your pocket and pull out your change. Study each coin carefully. Now go spend them. Do this every day for the next 6 weeks and let me know if you get any of that same change back from another store within the next 6 weeks. This is basically what people are asking Brent to do - identify every card he's ever handled. Let's be realistic.

Brent didn't notice that stain in the exact same spot as the one he just reviewed and sold to the same person who is sent it back in? Hundreds of times. Let's be realistic.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Brent didn't notice that stain in the exact same spot as the one he just reviewed and sold to the same person who is sent it back in? Hundreds of times. Let's be realistic.

I'll just post what I've already posted.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Do you think Brent personally looks at each and every card that PWCC consigns? Really? Who knew it was a one man operation.? Gee, I always figured he had workers that did that kind of stuff for him - receiving consignments, scanning, creating listings, shipping, etc.

[Peter_Spaeth]

David at this point with due respect you're out there on a limb all by yourself. There is ZERO question he knew he was selling altered cards and by that I include trimmed ones. ZERO. He's admitted it to a number of people even if the massive evidence hasn't convinced you. There's no point in continuing this discussion, you're just making yourself look bad.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

David at this point with due respect you're out there on a limb all by yourself.

Thank you, Peter. I truly wear that as a badge of honor. I'm not like most members here. I can actually think for myself and I don't follow the herd. As I've already mentioned, I brought to light the dirty graders years ago in 2014. Everyone probably thought I was out on a limb all by myself then too. Nobody believed me then, looks like a lot do now.

3 years ago I was saying buy silver. I darn sure did. I feel a lot better about my silver purchases than most feel about their baseball card purchases right about now. What would you rather be holding onto right now? 50K in high grade cards or 50K in silver?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=216582
Post 32

I saw all this years ago, Peter when all the over graded cards first started showing up. Grading mistakes happen, but it was way too much and too often just to be a mistake. I knew then that it was only a matter of time before it all imploded. So to say that I'm out on a limb by myself I take as a compliment. I'm also saying Brent doesn't get indicted. We'll revisit that one too somewhere down the road. I'll say I told you so and gladly be out there on a limb by myself.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Isn't silver at near an all time low?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Isn't silver at near an all time low?

Wouldn't that be the time to buy? I'm still bullish on it.

Silver is pulled from the ground at a 9:1 ratio over gold. For every 9 ounces of silver that is mined, one ounce of gold is mined. So if it comes out of the ground at a 9:1 ratio, why is there a price difference of nearly 90:1?

Doesn't something have to give? Either gold comes down or silver goes up?

You can follow the herd. I'll be myself.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Isn't silver at near an all time low?

Every idiot should have gold, silver and baseball cards in their portfolio....like I do.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

do you really think he remembers every card he handles? Remember, these are being purchased by Moser as certain grade with a certain serial number and coming back for consignment with another grade and another serial number.

1 - purchased by Moser
2 - sent back in by Moser, either in a slab or raw (if raw, PWCC probably sent to PSA to be slabbed)
3 - assigns sticker

Really? He doesn't remember them?

Let me answer your question directly: NO, I do not think he remembers every card he handles. HOWEVER, I do think he remembers these quite well.

Believe what you want.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bounce

1 - purchased by Moser
2 - sent back in by Moser, either in a slab or raw (if raw, PWCC probably sent to PSA to be slabbed)
3 - assigns sticker

Really? He doesn't remember them?

Let me answer your question directly: NO, I do not think he remembers every card he handles. HOWEVER, I do think he remembers these quite well.

Believe what you want.

he's the smartest guy in the room, your not going to convince him. I think he would like to misremember at this point.