Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[swarmee]

The Airing of Grievances: PSA Edition
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297252

[swarmee]

Definitely recommend you try to find proof first before sending back. They will look at the "evidence" of before and after photos.

[calvindog]

They still haven’t made a public announcement. They know there is a ton of bad Moser cards out there that they incorrectly graded yet don’t give a damn about getting those cards out of circulation. They’re just quietly dealing with individuals who are calling to complain instead. This should be no different than a dog food company recalling bad dog food that they sold. PSA should be issuing a national campaign to get these cards back and to stand behind their product. But they haven’t and won’t.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

They still haven’t made a public announcement. They know there is a ton of bad Moser cards out there that they incorrectly graded yet don’t give a damn about getting those cards out of circulation. They’re just quietly dealing with individuals who are calling to complain instead. This should be no different than a dog food company recalling bad dog food that they sold. PSA should be issuing a national campaign to get these cards back and to stand behind their product. But they haven’t and won’t.

Anyone remember WIWAG? They were not exactly forthcoming then.

Time for SGC to step it up, as has been mentioned, but will they?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Time for SGC to step it up, as has been mentioned, but will they?

SGC has nothing to provide to the vast majority of PSA's customer base: lower sale values, completely broken pop report and registry, confusing flips, and THEY JUST CLOSED THEIR AUTO AUTHENTICATION ARM. Most people believe that to be because of the T206 auto scandal they and JSA were most heavily involved in.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

SGC has nothing to provide to the vast majority of PSA's customer base: lower sale values, completely broken pop report and registry, confusing flips, and THEY JUST CLOSED THEIR AUTO AUTHENTICATION ARM. Most people believe that to be because of the T206 auto scandal they and JSA were most heavily involved in.

Maybe they're better at grading. Starting to look that way to me. And as to sales values, it's at least possible a massive scandal will affect PSA's.

[BigBeerGut]

This is a incredible thread! Big Ups to those who put it together!

MJD

ps now what ?

[Jersey City Giants]

Is there a full list sorted by cert #?

[swarmee]

They were hamstrung by the May 31 Set Registry Deadline that passed yesterday. I expect them to be more forthcoming now that they can put that registry year to bed. If they had decertified all the flips tied to Moser one day before the deadline, they would have irreparably harmed their customers and brand.
I completely understand them taking time to make a measured response, when that time was so critical to their Set Registry. Just the timing of these revelations came at the wrong time of the year.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by swarmee

They were hamstrung by the May 31 Set Registry Deadline that passed yesterday. I expect them to be more forthcoming now that they can put that registry year to bed. If they had decertified all the flips tied to Moser one day before the deadline, they would have irreparably harmed their customers and brand.
I completely understand them taking time to make a measured response, when that time was so critical to their Set Registry. Just the timing of these revelations came at the wrong time of the year.

PSA will never make a public announcement that any of the cards featured in Blowout are welcome to be sent back for refunds. They can't afford to. And they're by any measure a historically dishonest company. I've heard a hundred stories in which they've fought to the death before honoring their guarantee. They need to be sued and publicly humiliated/destroyed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

PSA will never make a public announcement that any of the cards featured in Blowout are welcome to be sent back for refunds. They can't afford to. And they're by any measure a historically dishonest company. I've heard a hundred stories in which they've fought to the death before honoring their guarantee. They need to be sued and publicly humiliated/destroyed.

Class action!!! RICO!!!

[swarmee]

Again, if they refuse to, a class action suit can be filed by all the owners of these cards (in absentia). It's not like the lawyers know who all the asbestos victims are in advance.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Again, if they refuse to, a class action suit can be filed by all the owners of these cards (in absentia). It's not like the lawyers know who all the asbestos victims are in advance.

If only we had a Class Actions lawyer who was willing to Stepin it.

[Buythatcard]

Suppose you own one of these cards. You won it at an AH or on eBay.
Now, the AH or eBay seller might have bought this card from another AH or seller. Maybe the card was consigned. The AH or eBay seller had no idea that it was altered or doctored in any way. They depended on the expertise of the grading company to confirm its authenticity.

Do you think that the AH or eBay seller is responsible for refunding the buyer? How about the grading company, are they responsible for refunding the buyer?
Or, is the buyer stuck with the card?

[swarmee]