Curious if anyone has had cards graded since the alteration/PWCC debacle

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...s-vault-option

They're actually allowing this thread on PSA/CU boards, so that's amazing. Read page 3.

Who is 707ToppsFanatic?
I never read that board precisely because they "poof" everything, interesting.

[Exhibitman]

Tuesday I received grades on a bulk order that went in last year. Nothing amiss; usual PSA inconsistency. One card rejected for min-size that was just perfect. I would not have sent in the cards today given the circumstances.

[calvindog]

PSA has traditionally circled the wagons and done what’s best for them and not the collector in times like this. Their incompetence has been shown to be so extreme in connection with the Moser cards that one would think now would be the time to own up and come clean. But they won’t. Even worse, they should explain why they accepted submissions from Moser in Moser’s own name for decades, knowing full well what he was. As I’m certain they’ll continue to screw the collector in order to benefit themselves, they need to be sued and forced to publicly account for all of this.

[swarmee]

Well, I'm speaking with my wallet and my signature lines here and on blowout. No more grading/authentication with any company until they confess, take their lumps, and make it right.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

PSA has traditionally circled the wagons and done what’s best for them and not the collector in times like this. Their incompetence has been shown to be so extreme in connection with the Moser cards that one would think now would be the time to own up and come clean. But they won’t. Even worse, they should explain why they accepted submissions from Moser in Moser’s own name for decades, knowing full well what he was. As I’m certain they’ll continue to screw the collector in order to benefit themselves, they need to be sued and forced to publicly account for all of this.

There won't be a change in corporate culture, but it's possible I suppose this could affect the contingent liability for their guaranty which in turn could interest analysts who they would have a much harder time shutting down than collectors. Or if this gets some serious media attention beyond message boards, analysts might pick up on it.

[Promethius88]

Had a bulk order that was submitted in January pop yesterday, no cards came back as EOT out of 112. It was a mix of years from 1948 to modern. Most were newer. On Wednesday night had a small sub of T205's, 1933 Goudey and a couple 55 Topps All-American football pop, that was submitted in April. Not one came back EOT or altered. Everything was fine.

[itslarry]

The trick is to be a former employee, all blacl labels!
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297033

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

Not one came back EOT or altered. Everything was fine.

Yep, you can feel confident in those opinions, I'm sure.

The other thread shouldn't cause you any concerns.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Yep, you can feel confident in those opinions, I'm sure.

The other thread shouldn't cause you any concerns.

Actually, I feel fine about it. They were lower end cards 2-4's mostly for the pre-war stuff and not a card with a value over maybe $50-75.
The OP was asking if anyone had stuff come back eot as he did and I did not.
I get the suspicions and accusations about TPG's and I know there is a huge hate for PSA here, that's fine, the evidence is out there. But, either they are all coming back not graded because they want be extra careful or they are just letting everything pass. It can't be both ways.
We can sit here and blame TPG's, auction houses, the actual card doctors, etc. But, at the end of the day, it's us, the collectors that are to blame. Our vanity for wanting to have the "best" or paying stupid amounts of money for a piece of cardboard is what has driven the hobby to this state. This has been going on, albeit not to this degree, for years prior to TPG's ever being in existence and if they ever go away it will still happen after that. It's just easier to blame someone else. As much as we maybe don't like to admit, we, as humans have a level of greed and vanity that makes us go into situations blindly.
It's funny, I have been or read in forums for years and the two pieces of advice that are given out most frequently to people new to the hobby...
1. Buy the card, not the holder
2. You shouldn't worry what the value of a card will be in X amount of years because you buy cards for the memories, the enjoyment. That's why it's called a "hobby".
Look, is this a bad situation that is going on right now...yep, it is. I'm not trying to downplay it. There needs to be and I'm sure there will be repercussions and changes. But at the end of the day it's not as important as your family, your health, etc. All I can do is be fair and honest in my dealings and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It's just not worth it.

Dammit!! Let's have some fun!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

...if this gets some serious media attention beyond message boards, analysts might pick up on it.

Peter, come on, "serious media attention"?

This thread has already outlasted multiple political scandals, in this day and age "serious media attention" would be defined as multiple minutes.

Doug "like how I didn't obviously show myself as for or against any political party?" Goodman