Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oh my.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2287

I'd love to know how that edge roughening is done. That in my opinion is impressive. Criminal, but impressive.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

I'd love to know how that edge roughening is done. That in my opinion is impressive. Criminal, but impressive.

Trade secret.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trade secret.

Even the great ones get caught and their methods exposed.

https://d2jf3tgwe889fp.cloudfront.ne...8pp147-163.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_de_Sperati

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franço...(stamp_forger)

Some of the Sperati and Fournier stuff so devalued the originals that the forgeries often sell for more.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by steve B

I'd love to know how that edge roughening is done. That in my opinion is impressive. Criminal, but impressive.

Also starkly demonstrates the stupidity of rewarding cards with higher grades for having poor characteristics (i.e., rough cuts).

[steve B]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Also starkly demonstrates the stupidity of rewarding cards with higher grades for having poor characteristics (i.e., rough cuts).

A rough cut that was factory wouldn't bother me, and considering the lax production standards of the time, I don't think a factory rough cut should be penalized. Of course, edge wear on a rough cut should be, and it's usually more obvious than on a clean edge.

That someone can create a rough edge without having it look like its fake or removing enough to make it appear trimmed... That's some involved fakery.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

A rough cut that was factory wouldn't bother me, and considering the lax production standards of the time, I don't think a factory rough cut should be penalized. Of course, edge wear on a rough cut should be, and it's usually more obvious than on a clean edge.

That someone can create a rough edge without having it look like its fake or removing enough to make it appear trimmed... That's some involved fakery.

I've been undecided always about a factory rough cut that results in a badly angled corner. I think a deduction is warranted but get the opposite argument.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I've been undecided always about a factory rough cut that results in a badly angled corner. I think a deduction is warranted but get the opposite argument.

What I was told by SGC is that the grade is a more cumulative thing. One of the cards I asked about has fantastic corners, and still has a visible impression of the pressure plate that holds down the stack of paper being cut. It also has a flake of paper loss on one corner - less than the amount of rounding I've seen on higher graded cards, a tiny wrinkle in the border about halfway up the left side, a bit of mis-registration, and a bit less than average centering. So it only got a 50 because all the tiny problems brought it down.

I'd agree that if the cut is rough enough to make a corner look odd, that should be counted against.

[Piratedogcardshows]

I have been keeping up with everything and it is sad indeed. Early in my T210 collecting, I use to like having the highest graded examples whenever possible. I think I have about 300 that fit that description. I havent been (lucky) enough to be as picky the last couple of years. If SGC is anywhere near as affected as PSA/Beckett seem to be with alterations esp. trimming, then I may just bust all the plastic and go raw. It was fun while the illusion lasted.

[Goudey77]

A competent TPG who clearly defines restoration and is a great example of what can be done for cards.

Glad you naysayers of my earlier threads have now gravitated to focusing on the core TPG problem.