T206 Moeller (Raw) with a Pencil Mark

[Leon]

I went to a local show yesterday, in Grapevine Texas, and picked up this beauty along with 20 other raw, common T206s. Not pristine but just nice looking cards. Of course none will grade above a 4 (or so) so this isn't going to be a big time pick up. That said, we have had discussions about different alterations blah blah blah. So why not a real world one we can discuss? This card has a pencil mark on back. I have a trusty Mars plastic eraser on my desk that I will probably use on it. It isn't a crime to do that, unless you say you didn't, although some consider it sacrilegious and I can see that point too. So getting the "it is fraud" discussion out of the way, is it ok to erase this mark? If I then submit it what happens if it later gets found with the mark and then, graded, it doesn't have it? And actually, for sake of discussion, that mark might hold it back up to 2 grades!! I could see it being a 1 to 1.5 with the mark and a 2.5?-3 without it. Yikes. Real world issue on a 35 buck card.
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[ullmandds]

Personally i have no problem with erasing...id surmise many times there will still be traces remaining...BUT...with that fat left border...this card could become perfectly centered with a little help!!!

[swarmee]

Is there any reason the pencil lead will further damage the card over time?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I personally couldn't care less about an erasure like that if done with a high quality art eraser.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Erasure doesn't bother me personally, but I understand why it bothers some. The PA find that had been posted here a while back that I ended up auctioning off had pencil on over half the cards. I did not remove because of the differing opinions on such removal. I am sure many of them are clean today.

[vthobby]

Leon,

No issues here with the eraser method but after you have finished, it will be interesting to view the results and the complete "Moeller Report" hahhahahahahahah

Peace, Mike

[Jacklitsch]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I personally couldn't care less about an erasure like that if done with a high quality art eraser.

Agree

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Beautiful card, Leon...with or without the number on the back.

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[Beansballcardblog]

My guess is that you picked them up from Roger. :-)

[Leon]

Yes sir and here are the others too which will soon be listed in the BST. I will let the future owner of the group decide what to do on the pencil mark. The "Moeller Report" was kind of catchy, nice one!
I would probably, not positively, erase the pencil if it were in my collection. Sort of undecided on it. My thinking is these were from an older collection as they were in tobacco penny sleeves inside of cardsavers and the sleeves have made their familiar impressions on them. I ousted the old sleeves.
All Sweet Cap and Piedy with a plate scratch on the back of Donohue.

Originally Posted by Beansballcardblog

My guess is that you picked them up from Roger. :-)

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes sir and here are the others too which will soon be listed in the BST. I will let the future owner of the group decide what to do on the pencil mark. The "Moeller Report" was kind of catchy, nice one!
I would probably, not positively, erase the pencil if it were in my collection. Sort of undecided on it. My thinking is these were from an older collection as they were in tobacco penny sleeves inside of cardsavers and the sleeves have made their familiar impressions on them. I ousted the old sleeves.
All Sweet Cap and Piedy with a plate scratch on the back of Donohue.

What impact had the sleeves had on the cards?

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[Leon]

None I could tell. Here are larger scans of some of them...

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

What impact had the sleeves had on the cards?

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[kateighty]

Personally, I'd leave the mark. Then again I'm a history nerd. I feel like when I buy raw cards I'm buying them exactly as is and erasing something that meant something to the previous owner is like potentially erasing history. Never know what that 457 could have meant to the previous owners (assuming they weren't crooks).