Alteration vs. Conservation Defined

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by peterose4hof

The guys on blowout just found a new run of certs connected to Moser. Leads me to believe many more are to come.

And more modern sold through PWCC. And the beat goes on. And the beat goes on.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295880

[jad22]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=65


Geez. That’s quite in jump in price for the Russell rookie.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jad22

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=65


Geez. That’s quite in jump in price for the Russell rookie.

And this is why I believe PSA is part of the scam. Who is going to spend $7700 on a card, risk cracking it out and doctoring it knowing anything could go wrong? Who's going to risk screwing up a $7700 card, unless you knew for sure it would get a number grade?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And this is why I believe PSA is part of the scam. Who is going to spend $7700 on a card, risk cracking it out and doctoring it knowing anything could go wrong? Who's going to risk screwing up a $7700 card, unless you knew for sure it would get a number grade?

Someone making hundreds of thousands would not view it as a huge risk.

[jad22]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And this is why I believe PSA is part of the scam. Who is going to spend $7700 on a card, risk cracking it out and doctoring it knowing anything could go wrong? Who's going to risk screwing up a $7700 card, unless you knew for sure it would get a number grade?

They would have to be quite confident in their “skill of the craft” to do this.

[perezfan]

…. or have an "in" with the TPG.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by perezfan

…. or have an "in" with the TPG.

Some people scofffed at David for suggesting that the graders are in cahoots with the trimmers. I think it is happening.

Look at SSI's statement on Blowout where he describes his relationship with Beckett. Is there one grader at Beckett who is passing along these trim jobs?

Here is the link: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...276110&page=10

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Some people scofffed at David for suggesting that the graders are in cahoots with the trimmers. I think it is happening.

Look at SSI's statement on Blowout where he describes his relationship with Beckett. Is there one grader at Beckett who is passing along these trim jobs?

Here is the link: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...276110&page=10

One would hope PSA and Beckett are taking a close look at the submissions where these bad cards are coming from to figure out where they came from and who graded them and why they got through.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And more modern sold through PWCC. And the beat goes on. And the beat goes on.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295880

Some of those look to be big enough trims that they should have never cleared even a basic min size check.

[Peter_Spaeth]

A musical interlude from the Andrea True Connection.

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https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295892

[vintagetoppsguy]

Card doctors are making more $ than regular doctors.

Dad: "Son, what do you want to be when you grow up?"
Son: "I want to be a doctor...a card doctor. "

[Peter_Spaeth]

On and on
On and on
On and on
-- Stephen Bishop

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1295897

BTW Stephen Bishop played the loser playing the guitar on the stairs of the frat house that was smashed by John Belushi in Animal House.

[calvindog]

Really remarkable how all the card doctors use Brent almost exclusively to sell their altered crap. I wonder how they all figured out independently to use PWCC and not Probstein. Gee, if I didn’t know that Brent was doing such great things for the hobby I’d think he conspired with the card doctors on these sales.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Really remarkable how all the card doctors use Brent almost exclusively to sell their altered crap. I wonder how they all figured out independently to use PWCC and not Probstein. Gee, if I didn’t know that Brent was doing such great things for the hobby I’d think he conspired with the card doctors on these sales.

Au contraire, PWCC was used as a "front for bad behavior." Just ask them.

And I quote.

"We at PWCC will not tolerate our brand’s use as a front for bad behavior. That day is over. Today is a new day, based on facts and enforceable policies for which we expect the entire market to hold us accountable."

[jad22]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Really remarkable how all the card doctors use Brent almost exclusively to sell their altered crap. I wonder how they all figured out independently to use PWCC and not Probstein. Gee, if I didn’t know that Brent was doing such great things for the hobby I’d think he conspired with the card doctors on these sales.

I wonder if they use the vault.