T210 Old Mill Cigarettes Red Border Oddities

steve B · #1 05-13-2019, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vintagecatcher

Thanks again for you input Steve..

Looking at Jason's Hicks T210, where the border is misaligned, one can see a clear line where the name and team bar is laid over the bottom of the player image.

Patrick

We may just be saying the same thing in different ways.

On the original art used to produce the halftone the plates (Or in 1910, more likely a stone) yes, that was done. The picture was usually pasted to a board, then the name/team caption was pasted under it, not usually overlapping, as that would show up on the halftone and need to be fixed (Or not on some cards from other series) but close enough for our purposes.

The black plate would then have the pictures with the name and team captions under them, all on one plate.

Other things intended to print in black would have been hand painted onto the original photo, but it would still all be on the same plate that printed all the black.

shammus · #2 05-13-2019, 07:41 PM

Here's a few favorites from my collection. The OHalloran is one of my absolute favorite cards. Notice the irregular and oversized borders with white on the outside...it was cut off of something...would love to know what

The Bergen is a salmon colored Series 8 card. I think the Series 8s were prone to this slight border variation.

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t210OHalloran.jpg

Tim Kindler · #3 05-14-2019, 06:52 AM

Wow! I love this thread, so neat to see the process of how T210s were made!!! Great examples, and very educational......Thanks guys!!!

Vintagecatcher · #4 05-16-2019, 07:13 PM

Thanks again for all the responses!

T210s are just such a cool set.

I only wish more of them would come up for auction more frequently!

P.S. Jason...your Hick's freak T210 isn't really a "caption jump," but a "border bounce."

The alignment of the border framing is what is off, the caption is in it's regular or normal location.

Patrick

seablaster · #5 05-19-2019, 07:14 AM

I'm kinda late to the party, but what else is new?

Horizontal reverse misprint:

Proof that cards were oriented vertically and horizontally on at least one sheet:

Vintagecatcher · #6 05-19-2019, 07:27 AM

Seablaster,

You were just saving the best for last!

I'm guessing printer scrap?

Thanks for sharing!

Patrick

seablaster · #7 05-19-2019, 08:48 AM

I'd have to assume so Patrick. The red borders and the reverses are lined up correctly. This would also explain why there are miscuts that have a pure white portion of the card visible above the red border. What I find somewhat odd, is given the significant number of T210s, I've only remember seeing a handful where the white border is visible above or below the red border.

How many more catchers do you need for completion?

Leon · #8 05-20-2019, 06:42 PM

Those are fantastic, thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=seablaster;1879063]I'm kinda late to the party, but what else is new?

Horizontal reverse misprint:

Proof that cards were oriented vertically and horizontally on at least one sheet:

Vintagecatcher · #9 10-27-2020, 12:18 AM

Since the Covid-19 virus arrived, new T210s on eBay have all but dried up except for the "museum" ones!

Here is my first Orange Border T210 that I picked up in May.

I haven't heard much from my fellow T210 collectors recently.

Have you also found it difficult to add any new T210s to your collections?

Patrick

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