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05-08-2019, 05:56 PM
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Personally I’m done with PWCC and have spent tens of thousands with them over the years... Preface: There is a lot in this thread. I'd suggest finding some time to get a bowl of popcorn, read though it all, and then comment if you wish. I ask that you please do not just skim though through this thread and then write an uninformed reply, as this will just add confusion to an already complex thread. Not 100% of the content in this thread is germane to the allegations in the title, however I feel that most will appreciate the historical context, either as a refresher or to learn about this company for the first time. Without further ado, here is Will Jaimet: William Thom Jaimet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014391516111 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-jaimet-4b851915 Heroes of Sport/Jaimet's Personal Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/media Note who he is following on Facebook: 1. Kevin Burge 2. Vinny Ho 3. Keith Koenig Will Jaimet has been involved in the sports cards and memorabilia industry from a very young age, as his father, Scott Jaimet AKA Thom Jaimet, used to run Oregon Trail Auctions in the 90s-00s before it was bought out by Mastro West. From all that I have read online, he seems to have been a well respected member of the hobby before his passing in late 2009. Will's presence in the hobby began sometime in the early to mid-2000s when he started selling mostly graded cards though his company Rose City Sports on eBay using the accounts ROSE-CITY-SPORTS and ROSE-CITY-SPORTS-2. Both those user IDs have long since been changed, but some of his listings can be found in the Worthpoint link below. He mostly sold low pop. high-grade cards (PSA 10, BGS 9.5-10) and even had an article written about his company for selling the first SGC 98 Jordan RC. ROSE-CITY-SPORTS: https://www.worthpoint.com/inventory...s%22&category= Jordan SGC 98 article: https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...n-rookie-sold/ In 2009 he had his first child, which he said raised his level of responsibility, so he decided to follow in the footsteps of his father and create an auction house by the name of Heroes of Sport. Their first and only auction took place November 18th-December 1st of that year. Source: http://www.net54baseball.com/archive...?t-115242.html In the following years, 2010 through 2012 to be exact, he continued to sell on Ebay and via the Heroes of Sport website, but he never held another Heroes of Sport auction. His reasoning is below: Source: http://www.sportscardmagazine.net/20...r-will-jaimet/ Instead, as indicated in the except above, he began to prepare (poorly as it would turn out) to launch a repack product by the same name of his auction house, Heroes of Sport. His brand was legitimized by advertising, such as taking out a full page ad on the back cover of Beckett and traveling around the card media circuit for interviews, in addition to the legitimization from the brand he had created running the Heroes of Sport catalog auction. He believed that he had the knowledge to buy cards enough below market value to deliver a valuable product to his customers: However the legitimacy of both Jaimet and HoS was short-lived, as in late 2012, Boomo announced via FCB that he would be premiering HoS's first product on boomosbreaks. The lengthy FCB thread is below: https://www.freedomcardboard.com/for...t-boomosbreaks To make many long stories short, there was a bunch of petty drama both on FCB and BO that is implicit in choosing to use Boomo as a means of promoting your product. However, there were some clear conclusions to be drawn as the product started to appear through more legitimate and universally-respected hobby distribution channels. First, the ROI was abysmal. While the great hits were great, everything else was fairly worthless. This is discussed in a lengthy BO thread linked below titled "$500 boxes producing $50 in cards? How about $700 box producing a $20 card?": https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...ghlight=jaimet Second, there was a large controversy with the items in later boxes of the product being purchased during the products run. In other words, the product was not completely packed out (or even purchased) before its launch. This, compounded by the fact that Jaimet did not (and still doesn't) make checklists for his product nor even create a basic sell sheet, was seen as highly concerning in the eyes of most. Tonedef got this one correct: 
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#2
05-08-2019, 06:09 PM
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Part 2
In 2015, it is unknown what exactly Jaimet and HoS were up to. He/They were trimming cards by this point (more on that later), but it is unknown what other business ventures they were engaged in.
Then, in very late 2015, Heroes made its return: Heroes of Sports "The Truth" was sold in late 2015 though early 2016, and the only way I can interpret the evidence that I am about to present is that it was a massive scam. Feel free to disagree, but nothing below adds up to a legitimate product being issued. The product was 100 cases and was exclusively sold through BrosBreaks. Per Jaimet, it sold out the day before a concluding "draft" that seems comparable to the convoluted HoS points auctions from 2013 that I will not explain in this thread. Here is a tweet from Jaimet linking to the BreakersBro page: Source: https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...64226331734017 Here is the BreakersBro page. Note the name "Jesse" and the linked Facebook group: https://breakers.tv/brosbreaks Here is the private Facebook group. As stated, this breaking group existed solely to break HoS "The Truth" and nothing else: Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1641164426138784/ This is who is running the group (note that his name is Jesse): https://www.facebook.com/jesse.craig.507 His LinkedIn: Source: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thecraiggrouppdx He is/was the co-owner of HoS: So this is a little bit suspect. The former, publicly unknown, co-owner named Jesse Craig (who interestingly enough now holds a high-level job at PWCC) created a breaking company to exclusively break 100% of a HoS product that has no checklist and will be broken entirely random-draft style. Does that seem a little bit suspect? If HoS wanted to break its own product why not just do that? Because they were running an elaborate fraud? Jaimet posted some of the high-end hits from HoS "The Truth" on its Twitter page. Here's an example: The problem is that about 90% of these cards posted do not appear to have been legitimately pulled/drafted to customers. Remember the title of this thread about Jaimet being a large PWCC consigner? That will be proven later, but for now, let's just analyze the hits from this product that were posted on Twitter. Of the last 25 hits from "The Truth" posted on Twitter, 22/25 were sold through PWCC directly after they were posted, 1 sold through Probstein, and 2 did not immediately come up for auction again. There are many more, but 25 seems to be a large enough sample to get the picture. The links are below: https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...97668879564800 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...dan-1797628882 PROBSTEIN https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...97361130844160 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1206869 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...97068112609281 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1212696 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...96871047380992 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1212476 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...96557401571328 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1206728 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...96200441126912 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ait-1799547343 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...95966281527296 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1207337 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...77735063900161 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1206805 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...38887022223360 DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN RESOLD https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...38730310467584 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1216707 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...36128722087941 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1217491 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...35845141000192 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1217069 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...35649485074432 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1204141 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...31161672069120 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1208019 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...30817772728320 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1212520 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...30567855091713 DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN RESOLD https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...30457775575040 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1211813 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...30309704122368 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1212564 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...30146574995456 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1206645 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...29611918684160 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1211544 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...26788371988480 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1212647 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...26608935469058 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1205491 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...26225550917636 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1212815 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...25955039244288 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1213132 https://twitter.com/HeroesofSport/st...25593486049281 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1212532 Why would 90% of the best hits be sold through PWCC immediately after they were pulled? The only logical conclusion is that BrosBreaks was created only to execute a fraud between HoS and Craig. If the product "sold out" there is no way for them to have legitimately retained 90% of the best hits. And I don't believe that one legitimate buyer purchased some 90 cases of the product. After this debacle, Jaimet's trimming side hustle was in full force through 2016, but everything came to a halt at the end November 2018 when Jaimet was arrested for the following: There is A LOT to this criminal case, and I'm just going to provide a summary here. If you are interested in reading through it yourself, use the link and instructions provided below to do so: https://webportal.courts.oregon.gov/...e/Dashboard/29 Instructions: Enter "Jaimet, Will" in field and retype characters. Click on case 16CR75219. Do not use back button. Many fields are cut off on the website, so copy/paste may be necessary to read everything. The short run down is the following: On 11/28/16, he was arraigned on the charges above. On 11/29/16 he posted $3k bail. On 12/01/16 his release was revoked, his $3k was forfeited, and his bail was upped to $500k. He was given a no contact order with his wife and kids on this date. At a 12/23/2016 court appearance he was summarily convicted of obstruction for cursing at the judge in court. Snapshot of that below. At a 01/18/2017 court appearance he was again summarily convicted of obstruction for cursing at the judge in court. On 03/03/2017, he plead guilty to the felony weapons charge and the other charges were dismissed. He was given time served plus 3 years probation. Per the website, he twice violated the terms of his probation. He is still on unsupervised felony probation as of today. 12/23/2016: 01/18/2017: Again, look over everything yourself if you want the grittier details. There's some stuff that just isn't getting posted here. A few months later, Jaimet was back to buying cards to trim, but his days of HoS products were evidently not yet over. In early 2019, with all of Jaimet's LLCs expired for the umpteenth time and the HoS website lost to another entity, Jaimet fired up the HoS Twitter account again to start pumping his new HoS products. He distributed them to at least four breakers (Blowout Cards, Cardsmiths Breaks, Grand Slam Collectibles, and Layton Sports Cards). Yet again, there is no checklist and no sell sheet. I was amused to see that Grand Slam was selling the product based off of what was pulled from HoS products 4-5 years go. Simply comical. It's hard to assess if a card is trimmed from a group break video, but here's a card that was pulled from 2019 HoS that is unquestionably trimmed: Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...lub-1887207185 Post: https://twitter.com/cardsmithsbreak/...02598518960128 Break video: https://youtu.be/xp5xHzgsjZM?t=414 I'm going to assert that this card from 2019 HoS is trimmed seeing as it went from a GMA 8.5 to a PSA 10. If anyone knows who has it, we can be 100% certain. Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kie-1781925822 Break (Watch closely to see serial number is 1346/2011): https://youtu.be/5JhrnWW4yzY?t=194 This card is suspect at best. I see no corner damage on the card pulled from HoS. Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ions-405237333 Break: https://youtu.be/OyEH3j9-CMU Lastly, Will Jaimet's Ebay account qut9 (proof below on how we can be certain that it is his account) purchased dozens of raw/BGS 9 Topps flagship color in early 2018. Many have visible flaws. Yet there are dozens of these cards that have never shown up for sale before in his 2019 product. I am certain most if not all are trimmed. Here's a few examples of what I'm talking about: Here are the flagship color cards he bought. Ctrl+f for q***u on these feedback pages. If you are so inclined, feel free to copy the listing title over to Worthpoint to check the condition of these cards out. Most clearly are not Gem Mint: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...0&mPg=4&page=2 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...0&mPg=7&page=3 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...&mPg=25&page=2 https://web.archive.org/web/20190417...mPg=52&page=52 https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://web.archive.org/web/20190417...mPg=44&page=14 LINKING WILL JAIMET TO QUT9: At this point, if you didn't come here from one of the sports threads showing trimmed cards sold via PWCC from Ebay user qut9, go check those out: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1288385 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1288384 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1288386 If you did, here are 5 points of proof that qut9 is Will Jaimet. #6 would be that his account went dead while he was dealing with his criminal case, but I won't prove that below. 1. qut9 is Located near Vancouver, Washington, but not in the state of Washington. The name on qut9's account is Vancouver Card Company, which is 100% fictitious. No such LLC exists in Washington or Oregon, nor does Google return anything. Here is a BO post about that user ID: Source: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...highlight=qut9 Note the 97... zip. That has to be an Oregon address, not one in Washington. Jaimet is in the Tigard/Lake Oswego area, which has a 97... zip code. 2. A Card qut9 purchased appears in a 2019 HoS product. Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20190416...rchInterval=30 Break: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FP...&list=WL&t=790 3. An unnamed, reliable source puts trimmed Jeter qut9 purchased in Will Jaimet's possession. Dan called the following card out as trimmed here: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...86&postcount=2 Here is the buyer feedback for the raw sale of that card (note exact title match): Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20190406...824572&page=55 A reliable source puts this card in Will Jaimet's possession. 4. In 2013, qut9 purchased card inserted in HoS. Link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...dard-464583030 Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20190420...&mPg=14&page=7 5. In 2013, qut9 purchased card inserted in HoS. Link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...nte-1617130819 Link: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...&mPg=14&page=6 Worthpoint: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...mber-423415532 This card might be trimmed, but I am unconvinced as I really don't like the raw seller's pictures due to their tendency to magnify damage. You decide. POINTS TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS THREAD: 1. Do NOT purchase any Heroes of Sports products. 2. Buyer beware when purchasing cards from fly-by-night repack/card companies. 3. If a modern graded (PSA, BGS, or SGC) card's first sale was through PWCC, I'd say there is approximately a 50% chance it is trimmed. Use the PWCC Auction history to verify a card has never sold though PWCC in addition to Worthpoint to look for evidence of trimming. Additional threads in the works will further substantiate this statistic. 4. It greatly concerns me that Jesse Craig is employed by PWCC considering his involvement with HoS and relationship with Jaimet.
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05-08-2019, 06:17 PM
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Brian, thanks for taking the time to author the posts. It looks like you put a lot of effort into it. I won't have a chance to look at it tonight, but I will read it in the morning. If you took the time to write it, I'll take the time to read it.
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05-08-2019, 06:18 PM
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And apparently the links don’t work when they get copied over, so if anyone does want to look, here is the link to the page which should work...
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...ht=Jesse+Craig
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#5
05-09-2019, 12:13 PM
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Blongley, I made a few in person sales on post war sets with Will Jaimet years ago while he was under the Rose City name. Nice guy with a lot of knowledge. Sorry to hear about his family situation. Fascinating what you can find on the internet.
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