Holes in PSA 7's - Please read - be informed

[vintagetoppsguy]

3 questions to the OP though:

Do you have any special skills or training that allowed you to see what PSA didn't? (I'm assuming you're not a "professional grader")

If not, why could you see it, but they couldn't?

Any lessons learned from your experiences?

[Keep_it_warm]

No special skills at all. I took these with my cell phone. Do a search and find the current auction and zoom in on the back photo and see if it doesn't match up to my pictures. It will.

[Keep_it_warm]

Everything I referenced in my original post can also be verified on the PSA auction sales site. You'll see the two consecutive sales for the Clemente card back in Jan and Feb. Same flip #

[tschock]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

3 questions to the OP though:

Do you have any special skills or training that allowed you to see what PSA didn't? (I'm assuming you're not a "professional grader")

If not, why could you see it, but they couldn't?

Any lessons learned from your experiences?

I would turn the question around. What defines those grading cards at PSA or any TPG as "professional graders"? Do they have special skills or training? Are they certified somehow? I'm truly not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

I could easily counter that someone who has been collecting for 30 years could be more qualified as a "professional grader" than say any random grader working at a TPG. I'm not saying they are or aren't (or that the OP has 30 years in collecting), but just curious as to what the point is in that question. It's not even relevant to what the OP discovered.

[Keep_it_warm]

I'm a nobody. I'm just trying to complete a set I started 40 years ago. It's raw, but I wanted to finish it with the bigger cards being 'professionally graded' to give me some peace of mind that I wasn't getting ripped off. When this first happened back in January, I thought it must be some freak occurrence. When it happened a second time last week, then I knew I had to post something to at least try to warn others who may be considering making an offer on the current live auction.

[Keep_it_warm]

If there are other/better places to post this, someone please let me know. I'm all for giving others a heads up before they throw their money away on a card that doesn't equal the holder it's sitting inside.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Keep_it_warm

If there are other/better places to post this, someone please let me know. I'm all for giving others a heads up before they throw their money away on a card that doesn't equal the holder it's sitting inside.

Registration issue all fixed. It was on my end. Sorry about that....

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by tschock

I would turn the question around. What defines those grading cards at PSA or any TPG as "professional graders"? Do they have special skills or training? Are they certified somehow? I'm truly not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

I could easily counter that someone who has been collecting for 30 years could be more qualified as a "professional grader" than say any random grader working at a TPG. I'm not saying they are or aren't (or that the OP has 30 years in collecting), but just curious as to what the point is in that question. It's not even relevant to what the OP discovered.

Taylor, I absolutely agree with you. I think many individuals here have enough "hobby experience" that's makes them way more qualified to render an opinion than any "professional grader." And I guess that is my point. Why do people keep trusting these TPGs rather than the experience of a seasoned collector/dealer? It's obvious that the OP wanted NM 1956 Topps cards. Are there not enough trustworthy sellers on eBay that you could buy either card raw in the same NM condition from a reputable seller and save hundreds of dollars? Sure there are. Or maybe even at a local shop or show? So why do people keep putting their faith in the TPGs rather than a reputable collector/dealer? At least the OP looked at the cards for himself. How many buyers get those same 2 cards and not even look at them, just put them in a box or in their safe and feel all warm and fuzzy thinking they bought a NM card? Many! It goes back to my point. I'll assume the OP is your "average collector." So if an average collector can look at that card and see pin holes, why can't the TPGs? Yet people keep drinking the Kool-Aid trusting in some flip because some TPG said it was so.

I don't really consider myself an autograph collector, but the autograph side of this board is much different than the card side. There are enough autograph experts on here that the autograph collectors know they can ask an opinion of authenticity and that opinion is worth way more than any TPAs (and they don't have to pay an authentication fee). So why isn't the card side the same? I could list several names on here that I would trust for an autograph authenticity opinion, and that opinion would carry much more weight with me rather than PSA/DNA, BSA, SGC or whoever. But who are the names on here we can trust for card grade opinions more than the TPGs? Card collectors want to see that grade on the flip. Autograph collectors just want to know their item is authentic. I used the autograph guys were a bit odd, but now I understand them more and more.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Taylor, I absolutely agree with you. I think many individuals here have enough "hobby experience" that's makes them way more qualified to render an opinion than any "professional grader." And I guess that is my point.

Gotcha. I totally misread the tenor of your post. Sorry about that.

[swarmee]

Those are pretty awful. You should email the thread to the new PSA President Steve Sloan and have him buy the cards back and remove them from the cert list.
I got back the second egregiously graded error by PSA where they did not consider this card marked, and gave it a straight PSA 4:

[Keep_it_warm]

It was nice to speak with you Leon

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Just wanted to ask if there was any evidence of tampering on the psa holder.

[glynparson]

Not shocked. I have over the years seen interior holes missed on high grade cards in I believe every companies holders. I once owned a 1961 topps 9 with a staple hole. They bought it back. As I asssume they would these cards,errors do occur people Are human. I’ll still take reza, Steve or Lummy at sgc’s opinions over that of most people I know and certainly over anyone who commented on this thread already,despite their own touting of their “expertise”

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Just wanted to ask if there was any evidence of tampering on the psa holder.

I wonder the same thing.

Steve

[Keep_it_warm]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Just wanted to ask if there was any evidence of tampering on the psa holder.

Nothing that I could see, but I don’t pretend to have as much experience or knowledge with spotting tampering as many of you have. Speaking of the Jackie Robinson Card, there is a small 1/2” stress crack on the back side of the card that can be seen in the relished auction currently on eBay.