PWCC listing of 1952 Mantle PSA 4.5 appears to be pressed

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

PWCC responded at the end of Page 5 in that thread claiming that this card shows conservation, not alteration. Bold move, Cotton.

That's disgraceful, in my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ah here you go, Jesse. I was looking for this before.

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N-5 Altered Stock - This includes, but is not limited to characteristics on the card that appear to show some form of alteration such as paper restoration, crease/wrinkle pressing or enhanced gloss.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ah here you go, Jesse. I was looking for this before.

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N-5 Altered Stock - This includes, but is not limited to characteristics on the card that appear to show some form of alteration such as paper restoration, crease/wrinkle pressing or enhanced gloss.

Apparently this card did not bear evidence of having been restored or altered and the question is why? Was the work that good and therefore not detectable, has PSA lost their ability to assess cards or does PSA look the other way for some who submit cards?

Seems PWCC has nobody they have to answer to in the hobby or beyond whereby they can blatantly spin what most in the hobby deem is an alteration into it being justifiable conservation. If that is the case then they should at a minimum, amend the description to disclose the "conservation", and notify all active bidders of the amendment and if they knew in advance of listing that the card had had work it should have been disclosed in the original listing.

I am sure the neither PSA nor PWCC are happy that photo of the raw card exists. Quite sure that PSA would not openly support PWCC's stance on conservation but clearly the evidence is that they either cannot detect this type of work or they might deem it acceptable behind closed doors.

[pokerplyr80]

Pressing down a corner that's sticking up a little, and pressing out a wrinkle are to very different things in my opinion. I don't own this card and am not bidding on it, but if I were I would have no problem with it unless it turns out it was trimmed after pressing down the corner.

[Peter_Spaeth]

A question raised on Blowout is, if the card was consigned to Heritage raw (as the guy who had seen the raw card thinks or knows), and it appeared in Heritage in a PSA 4.5 with the corner pressed, where was the work done?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A question raised on Blowout is, if the card was consigned to Heritage raw (as the guy who had seen the raw card thinks or knows), and it appeared in Heritage in a PSA 4.5 with the corner pressed, where was the work done?

The OP in the BO thread maybe better qualified to answer your question. He mentioned "thinking" the family sent this card off to HA.


Based on what the OP mentions, it seems most likely that if this family did actually consign this card and the other 52 Topps cards directly to HA, the cards would indeed have been raw. If the family was offering this card for sale raw, it is unlikely they had it graded themselves before consigning....they probably would have already had it graded themselves if they were aware of the best way to sell a card of this nature (graded not raw). Since the family did not seem too keen on the interworking's of the high end card market, it seems unlikely they would be responsible for any restoration either much less the grading of the card.

In another post in the BO thread, the cards with serial #s on either side of this original Mantle submission were other 52 Mantles that were sold via HA and a 52 Mays PSA 8. Based on the serial numbers close to this cards, it appears that this Mantle was submitted with other cards sold by HA and not by the family that owned the card.


However, the family could have sold everything raw to someone else who mentioned to the family that their plan was to consign everything to HA.

Unless the OP can provide more details, we will likely never know the early chain of ownership of this card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

The OP in the BO thread maybe better qualified to answer your question. He mentioned "thinking" the family sent this card off to HA.


Based on what the OP mentions, it seems most likely that if this family did actually consign this card and the other 52 Topps cards directly to HA, the cards would indeed have been raw. If the family was offering this card for sale raw, it is unlikely they had it graded themselves before consigning....they probably would have already had it graded themselves if they were aware of the best way to sell a card of this nature (graded not raw). Since the family did not seem too keen on the interworking's of the high end card market, it seems unlikely they would be responsible for any restoration either much less the grading of the card.

In another post in the BO thread, the cards with serial #s on either side of this original Mantle submission were other 52 Mantles that were sold via HA and a 52 Mays PSA 8. Based on the serial numbers close to this cards, it appears that this Mantle was submitted with other cards sold by HA and not by the family that owned the card.


However, the family could have sold everything raw to someone else who mentioned to the family that their plan was to consign everything to HA.

Unless the OP can provide more details, we will likely never know the early chain of ownership of this card.

Yeah, not proof beyond a doubt, but more than enough to raise an eyebrow.