Clemente or Koufax?

[glynparson]

Goose for what?

[tschock]

Not to take anything away from Koufax as far as baseball or pitching is concerned, but Clemente is bigger than baseball. Koufax is not.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by tschock

Not to take anything away from Koufax as far as baseball or pitching is concerned, but Clemente is bigger than baseball. Koufax is not.

Good point, and probably gets at the very core of it...

[JollyElm]

A Jewish pitcher in the 50's/60's who bravely stood up for his principles isn't beyond the game??? Come on!!!

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

A Jewish pitcher in the 50's/60's who bravely stood up for his principles isn't beyond the game??? Come on!!!

He said "bigger" than the game and imho opinion while Koufax was a GREAT pitcher who played for a great team and took a stand on a Jewish holiday AND deserves respect, adoration and a whole lot more.......... he was not Clemente. Clement the player, Clemente the Hispanic player, Clemente the player who I suspect faced much greater adversity (how many times did Koufax have to sleep in a different hotel than his team?), Clemente who consistently and visibly gave back to children, Clemente who died a hero trying to help and save others. C'mon guys, really.

How many parks and/or schools are named after Koufax?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by hcv123

He said "bigger" than the game and imho opinion while Koufax was a GREAT pitcher who played for a great team and took a stand on a Jewish holiday AND deserves respect, adoration and a whole lot more.......... he was not Clemente. Clement the player, Clemente the Hispanic player, Clemente the player who I suspect faced much greater adversity (how many times did Koufax have to sleep in a different hotel than his team?), Clemente who consistently and visibly gave back to children, Clemente who died a hero trying to help and save others. C'mon guys, really.

How many parks and/or schools are named after Koufax?

So only standing up for your beliefs counts if you're the right color?? And I'm glad to know that naming schools or parks after a person is the main thing that counts in your world. Is Thomas Jefferson going to still be considered great after the snowflakes demand his name be removed from parks, schools and other places?

[Mark17]

Clemente died while trying to get aid to people who desperately needed it. Factoring in the fact he was afraid of airplanes and flying over water, which is exactly the risk he took and the way he died, and the legacy he left really does go beyond the game where people try to hit a little ball with a piece of wood.

I have on CD an interview Clemente gave, before the final game at Forbes Field on June 28, 1970. Asked what he hoped to accomplish in baseball, he replied he wanted to get 3,000 hits. That is exactly the number he had when he died.

I never understood all the accolades Koufax received for refusing to pitch Game 1 of the 1965 World Series. He pitched Game 2, Game 5, and Game 7, so what difference did it make? I'm not being critical; just noting that Game 1, Game 2, they both count the same.

Koufax will be remembered as a great pitcher; Clemente as just plain great, in every single way.

And, Mary Ann. Besides being nicer she was also way cuter, even though they couldn't show her belly button.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

So only standing up for your beliefs counts if you're the right color?? And I'm glad to know that naming schools or parks after a person is the main thing that counts in your world. Is Thomas Jefferson going to still be considered great after the snowflakes demand his name be removed from parks, schools and other places?

You either want to argue or completely misconstrued/misunderstood what I wrote. Gonna try 1 more time and not make a history lesson out of it.

Koufax stood up for his beliefs (rightly so!) in 1 big game! Clemente faced racism most of his career including levels of despicable that I suspect Koufax never had the opportunity to know (that made it arguably harder for him to achieve greatness). Having parks and schools named after you is a sign of honor and respect - I suppose you couldn't find one named after Koufax. Not sure what you mean about the snowflake reference, but I believe the question was about Clemente or Koufax - not Jefferson!

Koufax was great

Clemente was THE Great One!

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