1950's & 60's Topps Card Populations?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by BillP

Ok, I think it will be interesting to get folks opinion on what can other that he 64 flood is being hoarded. Here's my 2 cents: 1) 1966 #591 2) 1961 #243 smith 3) 1963 #496.

Number 2 is the correct answer (61 242 Smith)....while over the past 10+ years I have sold many copies of this card to this board member, I do not know his reason for collecting so many copies of this card. He started collecting this Smith card long before the Flood collector started collecting his card(at least based on my ebay sales to both).

Based on another board member posts, he actively collected the 66 591 card for years......however, both the 66 591 and 63 496 have always been tough.

[BillP]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Number 2 is the correct answer (61 242 Smith)....while over the past 10+ years I have sold many copies of this card to this board member, I do not know his reason for collecting so many copies of this card. He started collecting this Smith card long before the Flood collector started collecting his card(at least based on my ebay sales to both).

Based on another board member posts, he actively collected the 66 591 card for years......however, both the 66 591 and 63 496 have always been tough.

I had an inkling on that card from somewhere in the long ago past. I have a couple and have always thought it was colorful. I do think that the dalkowski is an sp, but there are others in that 6th series as well. Some listed in guides, but #496 usually isn't. I know Long, tresh and a few others are in the becket.

[JollyElm]

Wow, I'm learning all sorts of things today, because I always thought the 'problem' with the 1961 #242 Smith card was that it's tough to find centered...but there's someone around here hoarding them?? Yowza. And I never heard anything about the 1963 #496 Rookie Card before. Someone may be hoarding those as well? And it could be an SP? I looked in my 1963 binder and mine is in awful shape. Crap.

Anyone have any more back stories about these cards and situations? I find it oddly fascinating.

[ALR-bishop]

Larry-- you mentioned the Smith issue along with Flood back in a June 2013 thread. And I just recently picked up the variant to the 63 496 card that you or someone recently posted in here somewhere ( bite out of the circle around Dalkowski )

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Larry-- you mentioned the Smith issue along with Flood back in a June 2013 thread. And I just recently picked up the variant to the 63 496 card that you or someone recently posted in here somewhere ( bite out of the circle around Dalkowski )

I remember that thread......that thread was a case of me asking a question that I already knew the answer to. I was looking to start a conversation about the hoarding w/o specifically mentioning it.

The last National I went to was in 2011. On that Thursday morning of the show, I bought every copy of both cards I could find...I found 2 Floods and about 40 copies of the 242 Hal Smith cards. My guess is that the Flood hoarder had a Wednesday pass but I apparently made it through ahead of the 61 242 collector. Anyway, over the next few months I sold about 60% of the 61 242 cards to this collector and the remaining 40% to the other collectors who had a glaring hole in their set.

To tie this back to the original point of this thread, I wonder what percent of the available population of these cards have been collected by each collector? Approximately 80 copies of the Smith card have sold over the past two months. For a year, close to 500 copies of this card will sell. If 500 copies sell strictly as singles on ebay each year(who knows how many more copies sold as part of lots/sets, at shops/shows), what percent of the available remaining population does this number sold represent?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Wow, I'm learning all sorts of things today, because I always thought the 'problem' with the 1961 #242 Smith card was that it's tough to find centered...but there's someone around here hoarding them?? Yowza. And I never heard anything about the 1963 #496 Rookie Card before. Someone may be hoarding those as well? And it could be an SP? I looked in my 1963 binder and mine is in awful shape. Crap.

Anyone have any more back stories about these cards and situations? I find it oddly fascinating.

I sell about 5 copies of the 63 496 card on average each year and I do not recall selling multiple copies of this card to any one collector.....likely not hoarding on this card

The 1956 Topps 21 Joe Collins card was hoarded for a while last year, I sold about 20 copies to a single collector....he stopped cold turkey and the supply/prices have returned to pre-hoard levels.

The 1960 Topps 2 Roman Mejias card use to be a plentiful common card until about mid last year. Then all of the sudden they became tough to find at a reasonable price. Now copies can sell for almost as much of a premium as the 61 Hal Smith card. However, I have not sold multiple copies to any one person so hoarding by one collector does not appear to be the cause for this card's sudden scarcity.

[Fuddjcal]

I don't see the fasination with collecting like that but to each his own. I'll just keep loading up on the stars from 1952-72 topps, 6 or better PERIOD.

4-small PSA boxes is all I need these days, and a small shoe box for the SGC BVG stuff