Show...me...your print variations!

[4reals]

Cliff, you are the man! I don't chime in much anymore due to time and three boys in 4-6th grade but I love browsing this thread and seeing these finds you and the others come up with. Keep em coming!

[ALR-bishop]

Are there many variants among the 3 boys, Joe?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Speaking of boys and variations, I have two boys whose greatest variance is their age, one is in 3rd grade, the other 6th. However, as of last week they were the same height and within a pound of each other. When they play on the same team they are routinely mistaken for each other....to avoid this, my younger son decided to wear his socks high to differentiate himself from his brother. This year they will be on different teams, thankfully.

[ALR-bishop]

Great looking cards....and kids

[ALR-bishop]

Someone, I think Larry, back in 514 posted two variants of the 57 Del Crandall with what appears to be a spike mark through his cap. I looked for a log time before finding this one, that included a couple of extra oddities as well

[4reals]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Are there many variants among the 3 boys, Joe?

Actually, yes, Al. All three were born within 32 months of each other. The first is a red head like mom, the second has dark brown hair like mine, and the third is a blondie. And yes, all with the same mother. We call them Neapolitan, lol.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Here is a HOFer print variation I have not seen before. This 70 Topps Juan Marichal has some sort of bluish print spot taking up most of his upper right arm. The blobs (each of blob appears unique) are themselves recurring but limited.

[Sliphorn]

It appears that the numbers above #40 (of 48) mostly do NOT have the card number. The numbers 40 and below DO. I am not aware of lower numbered cards not having the number shown. A search for VanderMeers yields no other cards with the number. They obviously DO exist though.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Sliphorn

It appears that the numbers above #40 (of 48) mostly do NOT have the card number. The numbers 40 and below DO. I am not aware of lower numbered cards not having the number shown. A search for VanderMeers yields no other cards with the number. They obviously DO exist though.

Hate to say it but the one on the left looks like a reproduction of the one on the right. Look at the image quality.

[ALR-bishop]

I think 2 of the Mathews were posted in this thread earlier....somewhere

[Exhibitman]

I'd heard of blue-flaming a fart but I thought it was an urban myth. Then I found this in a collection I bought:

[savedfrommyspokes]

Thank you Al, appreciate it. Neither of my spiked 57 Crandall cards have the blue haze(?) ...... can you post the different 60 Crandall variations you have?

[ALR-bishop]

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Thank you Al for posting, I have 5 of the top copy, but none of the middle.....this variation appears to be similar to the 78 Wills variation, a reverse progressive, when Topps tried to remove the "mark" they didn't get all of it and subsequently created another variation.

[ALR-bishop]

I can never tell if such marks were intentionally addressed or simply were errant ink that faded away on it's own in the printing process.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

.....this variation appears to be similar to the 78 Wills variation, a reverse progressive, when Topps tried to remove the "mark" they didn't get all of it and subsequently created another variation.

I have a conspiracy theory on the 1978 Topps Bump Wills circle variation card that I don't believe I have read anywhere else and I could be wrong, but I have always thought that the first version of the card is the one with the noticeable print dot in that area, the second version is the card with the large circle drawn around the print dot that was done by a proofreader for the dot to be removed but was mistakenly also printed that way for quite a bit of the press run, and then finally the third corrected version where the proofreaders black circle and the errant print dot were both airbrushed out.

[ALR-bishop]

Here is something similar. The blue mark next to Murphy's 302BA dissipates in the 2nd card and then disappears on the 3d one. Intentional intervention or just a print defect that faded away ?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I have a conspiracy theory on the 1978 Topps Bump Wills circle variation card that I don't believe I have read anywhere else and I could be wrong, but I have always thought that the first version of the card is the one with the noticeable print dot in that area, the second version is the card with the large circle drawn around the print dot that was done by a proofreader for the dot to be removed but was mistakenly also printed that way for quite a bit of the press run, and then finally the third corrected version where the proofreaders black circle and the errant print dot were both airbrushed out.

Cliff, I think your theory will hold water....it makes more sense than a proof reader wanting the trophy moved more to the left....as it never was. Until today, that was my conjecture. The irony is that the circle was far more detrimental to the appearance of the card than the tiny print dot. The likely 3rd of 4 variations, the one with the circle mostly removed and the print dot still present, indicates that the QC folks at Topps still did not remove the print dot until after they completely removed all signs of the circle.