Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

Agree... if it’s post 1969, forget about it!

Rob-
Looks like a flawless result. We’re there any issues along the way? Any bleeding of the red? Obviously the Batter came out great, but curious if you had to do the hurried rinsing ritual to save it.

[ooo-ribay]

Stellar work, Rob!

Mark, in my experience, there’s no such thing as hurried rinsing....it either works or it’s a disaster.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Stellar work, Rob!

Thanks Rob.

[Fballguy]

No issues at all with this one.

I started by working from the back of the pennant and I tried to use as little bleach as possible to avoid problems.

Started with 90/10 mix just to see what would happen. Didn't have much effect on the bad spots but did whiten the background some.

Then I increased to about 70/30 and continued to work on the back. I let 30 minutes to an hour go by between each spraying so I could assess the progress. I probably sprayed it six or more times over the course of the day. This got the pennant pretty white, but several trouble spots remained.

By now I was fairly confident that the paint wasn't going to run so I turned the pennant over and hit the trouble spots directly...which included hitting the graphics. I tried to do that sparingly but it couldn't be avoided.

Finally, I had to strengthen the mixture to about 50/50 to get those sports on the tip to say uncle. I didn't have to spray the 50/50 mixture near the paint luckily.

Before I went to bed I sprayed the pennant with water to rinse off any excess bleach and I let it sit wet over night. It was nice and bright the next morning.

Sandwiched it between some towels to let dry for a few hours, then hit it with a warm iron.

Mission accomplished.

[Bumpus Jones]

Hey Rob. Do you hang or suspend the pennant while doing this or lay it flat? Also, do you mask off the areas you don't want hit with spray at all? Thanks.

[ooo-ribay]

Hey, Kyle, aka pennant maker researcher extraordinaire -

I'm pretty sure I showed this "WC" mark on my 1962 picture pennant (left of photo). I was re-organizing my pennants the other day and found the same WC on a few more. The last one pictured shows a batter in un-enclosed Candlestick but I also found the same mark on similar pennants of post-enclosure Candlestick (1970). Any ideas? A buddy says "Wincraft" but I think we ruled that out.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Hey, Kyle, aka pennant maker researcher extraordinaire -

I'm pretty sure I showed this "WC" mark on my 1962 picture pennant (left of photo). I was re-organizing my pennants the other day and found the same WC on a few more. The last one pictured shows a batter in un-enclosed Candlestick but I also found the same mark on similar pennants of post-enclosure Candlestick (1970). Any ideas? A buddy says "Wincraft" but I think we ruled that out.

Rob:

I think the consensus when we last discussed the first two pennants you showed was that Trench made these; and, this "WC" mark was likely a concessionaire's mark. Although we were stumped as to precisely who this concessionaire was.

We found at least one other pennant--a Univ. of California stadium pennant featuring Memorial Stadium, I recall--that also had a similar "WC" mark. It too appeared to be by Trench. So we speculated that WC must have been a San Francisco Bay area concessionaire and/or retailer that sold Trench pennants.

This new/third pennant you discovered is really interesting. Here, the "WC" mark is quite hidden within the artwork (on the batter's knee). I struggled to find it. That's making me re-consider things.... Although, I can think of no pennant manufacturer that went by these initials in the 1960s.

The problem with WinCraft is they didn't come to exist until 1961. And, when it began, it was reportedly a three-person company specializing in buttons and pom-poms for local high schools in Minnesota. So if "WC" on your '62 Giants pennant stood for WinCraft, we'd have to believe they made the astronomical leap from Winona, MN high school buttons to San Francisco Giant pennants, within a year's time.

Which seems unlikely.

I will cover ASCO/WinCraft next on Pennant Fever. Maybe I'll learn more about their early days to be able to shed some new light on this.

[baseball tourist]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Rob:

I think the consensus when we last discussed the first two pennants you showed was that Trench made these; and, this "WC" mark was likely a concessionaire's mark. Although we were stumped as to precisely who this concessionaire was.

We found at least one other pennant--a Univ. of California stadium pennant featuring Memorial Stadium, I recall--that also had a similar "WC" mark. It too appeared to be by Trench. So we speculated that WC must have been a San Francisco Bay area concessionaire and/or retailer that sold Trench pennants.

This new/third pennant you discovered is really interesting. Here, the "WC" mark is quite hidden within the artwork (on the batter's knee). I struggled to find it. That's making me re-consider things.... Although, I can think of no pennant manufacturer that went by these initials in the 1960s.

The problem with WinCraft is they didn't come to exist until 1961. And, when it began, it was reportedly a three-person company specializing in buttons and pom-poms for local high schools in Minnesota. So if "WC" on your '62 Giants pennant stood for WinCraft, we'd have to believe they made the astronomical leap from Winona, MN high school buttons to San Francisco Giant pennants, within a year's time.

Which seems unlikely.

I will cover ASCO/WinCraft next on Pennant Fever. Maybe I'll learn more about their early days to be able to shed some new light on this.

mm

Could “WC” be the illustrators initials?

[bocca001]

I have some of those same pennants with no WC, so I don't think that it is the illustrator.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

Hey Rob. Do you hang or suspend the pennant while doing this or lay it flat? Also, do you mask off the areas you don't want hit with spray at all? Thanks.

You probably meant the other Rob, but I'm a bleacher, too.

I use painter's tape to both hang mine and protect the spine. The spine would obviously bleach out otherwise. I have never masked off areas....I think you would get a noticeable line. I soak my pennants and the bleach would probably leach even I masked off an area. I suppose it might work with a very light misting.

[ooo-ribay]

Here's one I forgot I had. Vintage? Repro? Maybe a companion to one of those BF3 type mini sets?

[matty39]

That looks like a Mitchell and Ness repro of a 1936 BF3 premium.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by matty39

That looks like a Mitchell and Ness repro of a 1936 BF3 premium.

I think you’re probably right. It’s in way too good of shape to be old.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

Hey Rob. Do you hang or suspend the pennant while doing this or lay it flat? Also, do you mask off the areas you don't want hit with spray at all? Thanks.

Here's a pic of the entire operation! Just lay the pennant face down and tape the wide end to keep it from sliding.

Yes...I would mask completely any areas you didn't want hit with bleach. The pennants I've bleached typically don't have any areas like that lol.