OT but front page worthy Jordan card ebay

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by orly57

I agree with REPUBLICANinMass. No politics on the board. Wait, what???? Well, regardless of the irony of his screen name, he’s right.

I would think a Republican in Mass would be kind of a "one of" thing?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

I would think a Republican in Mass would be kind of a "one of" thing?

I hope he is not in Mass or I just sent a lot of pictures of famous dead people to the wrong place.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

I would think a Republican in Mass would be kind of a "one of" thing?

Not at all. Massachusetts has had four Republican governors in the past three decades.

[Throttlesteer]

This thread has played itself out and appears to be going the wrong direction. Perhaps it's time to let it be and move on.

[frankbmd]

My guess is that the Jordan buyer might balk at AOC’s Green New Deal.

And that AOC would also balk at his green new Jordan deal.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I figured it was only a matter of time before you worked AOC into one of your posts.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

My guess is that the Jordan buyer might balk at AOC’s Green New Deal.

And that AOC would also balk at his green new Jordan deal.

Looking through my postcard collection, I see she's got a team back in NY.

[Jdoggs]

Wow Brady championships contenders bgs 9 sold for $401k. Even greater than the Jordan.

[Throttlesteer]

At the very least, it WAS a rookie and autographed.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Wow Brady championships contenders bgs 9 sold for $401k. Even greater than the Jordan.

Good grief, you could get a '52 Mantle PSA 8 for that.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

This thread has played itself out and appears to be going the wrong direction. Perhaps it's time to let it be and move on.

Let’s bring it back this way. There is a Magic/Bird ROOKIE PSA 10 at auction tonight. According to the PSA pop report, there are only 22 gem mint 10 Magic/Bird rookies. The auction estimate is 100k+, and it is currently at 84k with BP. Let’s compare this card to the green Jordan. The green Jordan has a slightly lower population, since only 10 were made. The M/B card was mass-produced, but only 22 10’s exist. This is the ROOKIE card of two of the greatest players of all time...on ONE CARD!!! The third player on the card is Dr.J.
The Green Jordan is an insert card in a set that was released on Jordan’s 12th season. And to top it off, it appears to be altered. So of course, it sells for 3.5X the expected sale price of a gem mint M/B rookie.
This isn’t a judgement on the buyer, or even on modern vs vintage. This is just one of the many reasons why some of us can’t understand the price on the green Jordan. When you compare the sheer importance of one card vs another, it doesn’t appear to be close. I realize that this isn’t completely apples to apples, but it certainly illustrates why so many are shocked about the Jordan.

[swarmee]

If there are 22 PSA 10s of Magic/Bird, and PSA has been grading them for 30 years, you can expect the pop report to increase by 1 almost every year. The other 7 PMG Green Jordans may never show up; only 2 or 3 of them have ever surfaced.
I get that most of the teeth-gnashing is over the fact that vintage collectors don't really understand just how big the modern insert card market is, and how the basketball market specifically is being driven by dot com millionaires all over the world (Japan, Taiwan, Nat Turner, PWCC clientele). Michael Jordan is a worldwide superstar on the Michael Jackson/Elvis level; neither Bird or Magic are.
Nat probably already has his PSA 10 Magic/Bird/Erving in the vault.
#illgetoffyourlawn ;-)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Voice in the wilderness I know, but I think it's madness to pay 100K for a Bird Magic, there are countless thousands around in Mint shape.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Voice in the wilderness I know, but I think it's madness to pay 100K for a Bird Magic, there are countless thousands around in Mint shape.

I don’t disagree.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by swarmee

If there are 22 PSA 10s of Magic/Bird, and PSA has been grading them for 30 years, you can expect the pop report to increase by 1 almost every year. The other 7 PMG Green Jordans may never show up; only 2 or 3 of them have ever surfaced.
I get that most of the teeth-gnashing is over the fact that vintage collectors don't really understand just how big the modern insert card market is, and how the basketball market specifically is being driven by dot com millionaires all over the world (Japan, Taiwan, Nat Turner, PWCC clientele). Michael Jordan is a worldwide superstar on the Michael Jackson/Elvis level; neither Bird or Magic are.
Nat probably already has his PSA 10 Magic/Bird/Erving in the vault.
#illgetoffyourlawn ;-)

I thought I was pretty clear about the fact that this isn’t a modern v vintage thing. In fact, I don’t think of 1980 Topps as vintage. Im pointing out the importance of the rookie card of two top-5 greats versus an insert.
Your point about the 7 other Jordans being unaccounted-for is huge. That was never mentioned on here before. Those may be lost forever. I disagree with you that a new m/b 10 will pop up a year. That issue is EXTREMELY tough to find in a 10.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought I saw something on Blowout where someone and maybe it was the buyer of the AUTH said he knew where 5 of the Jordans were.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by orly57

Your point about the 7 other Jordans being unaccounted-for is huge. That was never mentioned on here before. Those may be lost forever. I disagree with you that a new m/b 10 will pop up a year. That issue is EXTREMELY tough to find in a 10.

Well, with VintageBreaks cracking packs every week and people with 9s reviewing them annually, I wouldn't be shocked at all if we average a new 10 per year.
Surely the big buyers are tracking which ones exist. I am doing research now and will update:
001 - pulled by a guy who bought a few boxes off eBay in 2015.
002
003 - claimed to be seen here: http://www.hobbykings.com/forum/view...578&highlight=
004
005
006 - PSA Auth bought by Nat Turner for $350,000
007
008 - This one is claimed to be 008: http://truepowermartialarts.com/just...3%20Green.html
009
010

001 article

pictures of 001 and 006

There is another picture of a rainbow (base, red, and green all together) from before 2015. It could be 006, or it could be a different number, or it could theoretically be a fake.


When is the Mascot Dog Food Mantle going to resurface. If I had $50K in the bank last year, I would have bought that one to hold. Not sending that through PWCC did the owner a disservice, unless by choosing his own family's auctionhouse, he feels it was worth the additional advertising gained.

Edit: Haven't found any more, but will update if/when I hear of them. Sometimes this kind of stuff is treated as trade secrets, because it can influence prices of ones that do come to market. There are reported sales of them back when they first came out, but those may be lost to overzealous moms or ruined by attics.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by orly57

I thought I was pretty clear about the fact that this isn’t a modern v vintage thing. In fact, I don’t think of 1980 Topps as vintage. Im pointing out the importance of the rookie card of two top-5 greats versus an insert.
Your point about the 7 other Jordans being unaccounted-for is huge. That was never mentioned on here before. Those may be lost forever. I disagree with you that a new m/b 10 will pop up a year. That issue is EXTREMELY tough to find in a 10.

Lost forever? More likely in unopened packs!!