Crofts Candy Color Run

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by gabrinus

Go for a Nadja Cobb Ryan......Jerry

Hi Jerry. I would love one. Does it exist?

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Hi Jerry. I would love one. Does it exist?

None graded by PSA or SGC. Several years ago some board members claimed they used to own one but no one was ever able/willing to show any proof.

[Rhotchkiss]

DJ, comparing Cobb and Wagner with respect to E100's/E92 (and similar) backs, a few odd results follow. I wonder if you or anyone knows answers;

Wagner has two E90-1 poses (throwing and batting), and both of those poses generally are known in all variations (E101, E102, E105, E106, E92 Dockman, Crofts Cocoa, Crofts Candy (blue and black), Nadja (and blank?), D303, T216 and so on...

However, Cobb's only E90-1 pose is the batting pose. We find that batting pose in the E105, E106, T216 and D303 sets, along with his leaning on bat pose. However, in the E92 sets, we find only Cobb's leaning on bat pose, which is also his sole pose in E101 and E102 sets, but is not in the E90-1 set.

Why are both Wagner poses in all of these sets, whereas both Cobb poses are not in all of the same sets, some are mutually exclusive, and some sets have both poses?

I am sure this has been discussed, but why do research when I can just ask?!

[x2drich2000]

Ryan, I do not have a definitive answer for you, so I'm just thinking out loud and this is pure speculation, but two things immediately come to my mind.

1) E92/E101/E102 etc are generally considered 1908-1910 issues, E90-1 generally is dated 1909-11, and the T216, E106, D303 are generally believed to be after 1912. So with that in mind, it seems like the leaning on bat came first, and the batting was added as a second pose.

2) For E90-1, the Cobb on bat is remarkably similar to the pose used for Joe Jackson. At the time, Cobb was already a well established star and Jackson was just starting out. I could see them not wanting to include both with the same basic pose, therefore, only including Cobb batting. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have just came up with a different pose for Jackson. For the T216/E106, Jackson was not included in those sets so there was no issue with reusing the leaning on bat pose and, therefore, getting a second pose for Cobb in the process.

DJ

[Rhotchkiss]

DJ, theory 1 sounds plausible for sure, but as Ted (and others will argue), the E102 actually came out in 1909-1910 (not 1908), by virtue of Cobb’s center field designation. Theory 2 is interesting, but do you think they really viewed a young and then-very-unproven Joe Jackson as “pose threat” to the great Ty Cobb? Regardless, both theories are interesting and I definitely think 1 has real merit and 2 is at worst intriguing. Thanks for thoughts.

[gabrinus]

Ryan, DJ is right...none has been spotted but a few years ago I think a member claimed to have seen/owned one...if it is who I am thinking of he made a few other dubious claims...would be an incredible find...Jerry

[Rhotchkiss]

Thanks Jerry!