Father Passed and Left me his collection. Please Help.

[mantlefan]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

No questions Greg Morris selling 1 by 1 is the way to go. Auctions will do you no justice and will fee you to death.

Sean's right. Avoid Auctions, especially Love Of The Game.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by mantlefan

Sean's right. Avoid Auctions, especially Love Of The Game.

Dude, what’s your issue with LOTG? Al and Jeff have been as good as they come from all of my experiences as a consignor and a buyer.

This is all going to be about properly reading those cards from their screw down tombs. I don’t know the best way to do it, but Scott makes a great point. I am sure someone who knows more than me could give you some guidance. Good luck. Very cool collection!

[frankbmd]

An independent third party consultant, who knows vintage cards, with no vested interest in selling your your collection is where I would start.

A knowledgeable collector, who lives close to you, probably exists on this board.

You are an unknown to the hobby and to many of this board your collection would be considered low hanging fruit. The diversity of opinion in this thread suggests to me that this could end well for someone other than you.

People who want your business can be very nice.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

An independent third party consultant, who knows vintage cards, with no vested interest in selling your your collection is where I would start.

A knowledgeable collector, who lives close to you, probably exists on this board.

You are an unknown to the hobby and for many of this board would your collection would be considered low hanging fruit. The diversity of opinion in this thread suggests to me that this could end well for someone other than you.

People who want your business can be very nice.

Not a terrible idea, but in essence an honest auction house is trying to make you the most money possible as that is how THEY make money. Also is the bolded portion supposed to be a bad thing?

When Jerry Mason was looking at what to do with the Miner's Extra collection he found in a house he was cleaning out, I met with him and gave him a lot of free advice on how to deal with auction houses. He originally had only committed to giving me the non-sports, but I didn't want to see him get taken. I spent quite some time with him going over things without any thought to getting the baseball and boxing cards.

A while later, to my surprise, he called me and asked me to take on the whole collection.

Maybe I'm naive or a Pollyanna, but I believe in helping people regardless of whether or not they consign to me. It's just who I am.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not a terrible idea, but in essence an honest auction house is trying to make you the most money possible as that is how THEY make money. Also is the bolded portion supposed to be a bad thing?

When Jerry Mason was looking at what to do with the Miner's Extra collection he found in a house he was cleaning out, I met with him and gave him a lot of free advice on how to deal with auction houses. He originally had only committed to giving me the non-sports, but I didn't want to see him get taken. I spent quite some time with him going over things without any thought to getting the baseball and boxing cards.

A while later, to my surprise, he called me and asked me to take on the whole collection.

Maybe I'm naive or a Pollyanna, but I believe in helping people regardless of whether or not they consign to me. It's just who I am.

If Net54 is the Times Square on New Years Eve for the hobby, then a cry for help will be heard by both the angels and the wolves. As a novice, it could be difficult to distinguish between them. Just sayin’

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Can't argue with that, and I did like the overall point of your previous post, just that in a perfect world an auction house can provide that service as they should be on the seller's side wholeheartedly. I mean that's who our fiduciary duty is due to. In PA you can file a complaint against an auctioneer who you feel doesn't keep your best interest first.

That's also an interesting difference. In PA you have to have a license to hold an auction, live or online. that's 360 hours of class time and 60 hours of practical experience OR a two year apprenticeship. Most sports auction houses are in states with no auction regulation. Does that mean those auction houses automatically disreputable? Of course not. But it is something to consider.

[frankbmd]

An experienced and knowledgeable collector is better equipped to deal with an auction house than a novice.

Satisfying suppliers (consignors) and payers (bidders) simultaneously is the art of the auctioneer, but can certainly lead to conflicts of interest.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Not a terrible idea, but in essence an honest auction house is trying to make you the most money possible as that is how THEY make money. Also is the bolded portion supposed to be a bad thing?

When Jerry Mason was looking at what to do with the Miner's Extra collection he found in a house he was cleaning out, I met with him and gave him a lot of free advice on how to deal with auction houses. He originally had only committed to giving me the non-sports, but I didn't want to see him get taken. I spent quite some time with him going over things without any thought to getting the baseball and boxing cards.

A while later, to my surprise, he called me and asked me to take on the whole collection.

Maybe I'm naive or a Pollyanna, but I believe in helping people regardless of whether or not they consign to me. It's just who I am.

I can say from personal experience as a buyer and seller with Scott he is the most honest guy in the business. All you have to do is look at the descriptions he has used in his previous auctions. There is no BS and he honestly describes the cards.

I can't say enough good things about the man and the service he provides. If going the auction house route I would highly recommend putting him on your short list of prospective AHs.

[packs]

Whatever you do don't sell any of the cards yourself. Send them to an auction house and let them handle the sale. People will make offers and they'll sound good to you, but they won't be.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

An independent third party consultant, who knows vintage cards, with no vested interest in selling your your collection is where I would start.

A knowledgeable collector, who lives close to you, probably exists on this board.

I’m in NY and would be more than happy to help.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

I've heard people have had success with both freezers and hairdryers where cards seem stuck in screwdowns. No personal experience though.

[mantlefan]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Dude, what’s your issue with LOTG? Al and Jeff have been as good as they come from all of my experiences as a consignor and a buyer.

This is all going to be about properly reading those cards from their screw down tombs. I don’t know the best way to do it, but Scott makes a great point. I am sure someone who knows more than me could give you some guidance. Good luck. Very cool collection!

Hey, when LOTG first started I consigned a lot of high end cards to Al’s first two auctions. Ask Al. I lost my shirt as I expected with a start-up.

In a subsequent LOTG auction Al pulled a stunt that I didn’t like with one of my cards. I then tried to pull out the rest of my consignment, but my cards were held for ransom by honest Al. I had to get my attorney involved to get them back. That’s my issue dude.


Edited to add: Jeff Prizner joined LOTG way after this happened. Jeff is a friend and a stand up guy.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by mantlefan

Hey, when LOTG first started I consigned a lot of high end cards to Al’s first two auctions. Ask Al. I lost my shirt as I expected with a start-up.

In a subsequent LOTG auction Al pulled a stunt that I didn’t like with one of my cards. I then tried to pull out the rest of my consignment, but my cards were held for ransom by honest Al. I had to get my attorney involved to get them back. That’s my issue dude.

what kind of a stunt was that bad, was it a bad description or put in the wrong category etc..

[clydepepper]

Sorry to hear of your loss.

You're getting a lot of good advice from our members...to which I will only suggest that you hold onto a few as a memory and tribute to your Dad...that way you could keep them in the family and pass it along when you want to.

I'm hopeful that you will get 'the bug' before saying goodbye to what has been left to you.

It's a Wonderful Hobby...and, at least so far, a much better investment (if you're careful) than many other things.

-Robbie

[mantlefan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

what kind of a stunt was that bad, was it a bad description or put in the wrong category etc..

Worse. A lot worse. A betrayal. PM me for the details.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by mantlefan

Worse. A lot worse. A betrayal. PM me for the details.

I've always liked you Dr. Frank but this isn't right. You had a bad experience once with Al and LOTG and I understand that. But trying to soil his reputation in public for something that happened years and years ago is uncalled for.

jeff

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

I've always liked you Dr. Frank but this isn't right. You had a bad experience once with Al and LOTG and I understand that. But trying to soil his reputation in public for something that happened years and years ago is uncalled for.

jeff

I agree. We are getting only one side of the story, and then only a partial story at that. I have never had a problem with Al. In fact, I think he goes out of his way to be accommodative. I think he is one of the good guys in the hobby, and if you seek to besmirch his reputation you should have to provide hard facts.

Jay

[mantlefan]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

I've always liked you Dr. Frank but this isn't right. You had a bad experience once with Al and LOTG and I understand that. But trying to soil his reputation in public for something that happened years and years ago is uncalled for.

jeff

Hey Jeff, it was 2 years ago not 10. And who died and made you King to decide what's "right"?

I sent you a PM with the facts. Should I post them here? Will you like me again if I do?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

I've always liked you Dr. Frank but this isn't right. You had a bad experience once with Al and LOTG and I understand that. But trying to soil his reputation in public for something that happened years and years ago is uncalled for.

jeff

Nonsense. If the misdeed is bad enough then it isn't just "forgiven" because X number of years have passed. Especially if no attempt is made to make it right.