Edelman

[Peter_Spaeth]

Are you seriously claiming there is a degree of suspicion about Brady using comparable to Bonds and Ortiz? There was also lots of circumstantial evidence about Bonds and Ortiz, and in the case of Bonds a lot more than circumstantial (his GF for one). is there any at all about Brady?

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Are you seriously claiming there is a degree of suspicion about Brady using comparable to Bonds and Ortiz? There was also lots of circumstantial evidence about Bonds and Ortiz, and in the case of Bonds a lot more than circumstantial (his GF for one). is there any at all about Brady?

I said its the same cloud. Brady trains with a guy who has been banned from the sidelines, plane and locker room in the past. The same trainer started working with Edelman and Edelman failed a test after beginning his work with the guy. I would call that a cloud of suspicion but that's just me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I said its the same cloud. Brady trains with a guy who has been banned from the sidelines, plane and locker room in the past. The same trainer started working with Edelman and Edelman failed a test after beginning his work with the guy. I would call that a cloud of suspicion but that's just me.

As I understand it much of that had to do with Belichick trying to assert his power and control and not wanting Guerrero to become a quasi-employee.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...ns-suspension/

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I understand it much of that had to do with Belichick trying to assert his power and control and not wanting Guerrero to become a quasi-employee.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...ns-suspension/

If you look into Guerrero's "medical" background you will find he doesn't have one at all and has been sanctioned by the FTC in the past for false claims and invented studies about products he's endorsed or created.

Would you want that guy around your players? Or was it just a power struggle?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

If you look into Guerrero's "medical" background you will find he doesn't have one at all and has been sanctioned by the FTC in the past for false claims and invented studies about products he's endorsed or created.

Would you want that guy around your players? Or was it just a power struggle?

Right, but that doesn't make him a purveyor of PEDs. Just a quack.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right, but that doesn't make him a purveyor of PEDs.

It makes him a purveyor of questionable supplements and medications with connections to a player who has definitively tested positive for PEDs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

It makes him a purveyor of questionable supplements and medications with connections to a player who has definitively tested positive for PEDs.

And who very well might have obtained them from a different source. I imagine an NFL star wouldn't have much trouble getting access to whatever drugs he wanted, and there are probably people out there offering them every day. And in any event it's a leap of faith (or maybe a leap of hate) to taint Brady with that.