Vintage Jeopardy

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

OK
pal JOEY
coast AMALFI
sun effect TAN

Joey Amalfitano

so there

Too obscure, but clever nonetheless.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Who is Dee Sunday?

I believe this was an answer that I authored. I have been through the thread seven times looking for my original post. It must have been deleted by the authorities.

The time has come for the question. Drum Roll please.

Who is David Ortiz?

Explanatory footnote:

From 1997-2001 the APBA game company was in dispute with MLB regarding licensing for the use of players names. This did not involve all players and I'm a little fuzzy at this point regarding the details. Production of the game and player cards was not halted, but some players received fake names on APBA cards during some of those years.

A complete list of "fake names" is presented as evidence.

Last updated 8/9/2004 10:07 PM Chicago Time

Alphabetical by fake last name.

Shows years (97, 98, 99, 00, 01) when fake name appeared for player.

** - indicates year where real name appeared. Any ideas why?

Barry Armand - Mandy Romero 97 **
Levi Atwater - Joel Adamson 97 **
Bob Bleacher - Joe Slusarski ** 00 01
Mike Butcher - Kevin Millar ** 99 00 01
Eddie Chamura - Tom Martin 97 ** ** ** 01
Rey Clark - Jamie Walker 97 **
Ray Clem - Scarborough Green ** ** 00
Red Crestwood - Ron Mahay 97 ** ** ** **
Don Cross - Damian Miller 97 98 99 00 01
Charles Dempsey - Bronswell Patrick 98 **
Joey DePalma - Lou Merloni 98 99 ** 01
Andy Gabriel - Angel Echevarria ** 98 99 ** 01
Randy Gaynes - Joe Crawford 97
Lee Grove - Kerry Ligtenberg ** 98 00 01
Jack Harten - Brian Daubach ** 99 00 01
Norm Heffner - Brian Tollberg 00 01
Brian Hiller - Benny Agbayani ** 99 00 01
Alan Hunt - Rick Reed 97 98 99 00 01
Tom Keaton - Chuck Smith 00 01
Jimmy Ladd - Shane Spencer 98 99 00 01
Joey Laker - Chris Latham 97 98 ** 01
Jerry Legler - Frank Menechino ** 00 01
Doug Mast - Alex Ramirez ** 99 00
Robbie Miller - Jason Hardtke 97 **
Frankie Nina - Rich Loiselle 97 98 ** 00 01
Todd Pearl - Jeff Tam ** ** 00 01
Lew Queen - Steve Sinclair 98 **
Carl Rhoads - Dave Steib 98
Jim Ripp - Tony Barron 97
Fred Rivers - Charles Gipson 98 99 ** 01
Dan Ruth - Joe Strong ** 01
Lancaster St. James - Pep Harris 97 **
Nelson Sanders - Osvaldo Fernandez ** 00 01
Keith Shetter - Matt Herges ** 00 01
Joel Shreiner - Alex Hernandez ** 01
Fuller Starr - Cory Lidle 97 ** 00 01
Dee Sunday - David Ortiz 97 ** ** ** **
Rollie Thomas - Keith Osik 97 98 99 00 01
Roger Wilson - Sean Maloney ** 98
Sonny Young - Chris Truby 00 01

In 1997 the name David Ortiz does not appear on his APBA card. He became Dee Sunday for one year.

I was hoping to show the Dee Sunday game card in this thread, but I do not have it.

I thought there might be a table top gamer in the crowd (Butch where are you?) but alas no answer has been forthcoming.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I believe this was an answer that I authored. I have been through the thread seven times looking for my original post. It must have been deleted by the authorities. .

I just threw the ‘Who is Dee Sunday’ randomly in this thread to mess with you and hopefully coax a hint out of you to solve the mystery in your other thread .

[Peter_Spaeth]

Seems to me a strange case of IP rights? I would think maybe the player could object if you used his name commercially (though I can't imagine why he would object to being on an APBA card), but why would MLB have a claim? Maybe the player assigns his rights to MLB? Anyhow the whole thing seems rather silly.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Seems to me a strange case of IP rights? I would think maybe the player could object if you used his name commercially (though I can't imagine why he would object to being on an APBA card), but why would MLB have a claim? Maybe the player assigns his rights to MLB? Anyhow the whole thing seems rather silly.

Not sure, but it could have been a problem with the player's union. At the time the game company wasn't doing well and if the union demanded fees from them, it could have been the nail in the coffin. Not sure what the opt out was for the players or what the consequences would have been for the game company if they had used the names.

Apparently the dispute, whatever it was, was a factor for five years, but the players with fake names were not necessarily fake players for that entire span according to the chart posted.

The fact that this question was transplanted from another thread according to Cliff is yet another mystery. Could this be a Twilight Zone thing?

[Peter_Spaeth]

You posted the question about Dee Sunday on another thread, no?

[Butch7999]

Sorry, Doc, this is actually the first we recall ever hearing about pseudonymous APBA cards (so thanks, too,
for bringing it to our attention). Our very modest level of so-called expertise doesn't extend to most post-'70s things,
but several members of our own forum are well steeped in APBA, Strat-O-Matic, Pursue the Pennant and other
"modern" sim games. You're registered with our site, you should post there and ask...

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You posted the question about Dee Sunday on another thread, no?

That’s my fault, I snuck in a ‘Who is Dee Sunday?’ on this thread to mess with Frank which apparently led him to believe that he had originally posted the question in this particular thread.