Poll: is Mariano Rivera one of the top 10 pitchers of all time?

[Throttlesteer]

I'm really dreading the discussion that comes about when Jeter goes in. I'm sure he'll be considered the greatest ever by someone.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I'm really dreading the discussion that comes about when Jeter goes in. I'm sure he'll be considered the greatest ever by someone.

At least he played entire games...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I'm really dreading the discussion that comes about when Jeter goes in. I'm sure he'll be considered the greatest ever by someone.

It will be very hard to argue he was better than Wagner or Ripken or (assuming you count him as a SS) ARod. For Jeter I think much of your rating depends on how much you count defense for a SS -- if you count it a lot, that's going to take away from him because he was pretty average all told.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It will be very hard to argue he was better than Wagner or Ripken or (assuming you count him as a SS) ARod. For Jeter I think much of your rating depends on how much you count defense for a SS -- if you count it a lot, that's going to take away from him because he was pretty average all told.

If you take Jeter out of the Yankees lineup, does Mariano have nearly as many save opportunities?

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

If you take Jeter out of the Yankees lineup, does Mariano have nearly as many save opportunities?

And if you take Mo out of the Yankees lineup, are there as many post season victories?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I'm really dreading the discussion that comes about when Jeter goes in. I'm sure he'll be considered the greatest ever by someone.

I would not say he is the greatest ever or even the best shortstop but I doubt you can name a singe player that tried harder while playing.