Help on a John Henry "Pop" Lloyd autograph

[CooperstownExpert]

That seems at least as possible as the letter being real. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I've got to pass on buying it.

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

This letter appears to have been created using the second you posted as a go by. I’m not a Pop Lloyd expert, but it doesn’t pass the smell test.

[CooperstownExpert]

By the way, here's information on the original recipient of the letter:

Arthur John Daley (July 31, 1904 – January 3, 1974) was an American sports journalist. As a reporter and columnist, he wrote for The New York Times for almost fifty years. In 1956, he was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for reporting and commentary.

That might explain the content, but that doesn't really solidify much for me. Any other thoughts?

[tazdmb]

There is an image here of what a geniune Pop Lloyd looks like:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...Results-012417

I have spoken to Steve Grad and he showed me some Beckett exemplers that have never been shared publicly, but they all seem to resemble this example (including the the "L"s in Lloyd not being connected. The one I owned and the ones you show have them connected. So the signature do look different. That being said, his signature could have (easily) changed later in life.

I know, you want to do everything possible to convince the signature is good (trust me, I have been there). My collection has plateaued for the most part for this very reason as I will no longer spend over $1,000 on an autograph unless it is on some official document I don't feel 100% comfortable with.

[bgar3]

I have absolutely no idea about the autograph. However Daley was a famous and prolific writer. I would suggest spending some time to research his writings to see if anything comes up relating to the letter, unless you are now convinced it is bad, or would still not be worth the risk or expense.

[bgar3]

Sorry.

[CooperstownExpert]

Yes, that does make sense. If I could find the quotes from the letter in one of Daley's pieces it *might* make me change my mind and buy it.

Originally Posted by bgar3

I have absolutely no idea about the autograph. However Daley was a famous and prolific writer. I would suggest spending some time to research his writings to see if anything comes up relating to the letter, unless you are now convinced it is bad, or would still not be worth the risk or expense.

[CooperstownExpert]

This encapsulates collecting so well...how in the world can we know for sure about the autographs of the tougher guys?

Originally Posted by tazdmb

There is an image here of what a geniune Pop Lloyd looks like:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...Results-012417

I have spoken to Steve Grad and he showed me some Beckett exemplers that have never been shared publicly, but they all seem to resemble this example (including the the "L"s in Lloyd not being connected. The one I owned and the ones you show have them connected. So the signature do look different. That being said, his signature could have (easily) changed later in life.

I know, you want to do everything possible to convince the signature is good (trust me, I have been there). My collection has plateaued for the most part for this very reason as I will no longer spend over $1,000 on an autograph unless it is on some official document I don't feel 100% comfortable with.