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Ted, What's the transfer on your Rossman coupon? I think it might be an
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Cobb coupon
Rob - Great pics, and scarcity list! Does anyone know of any ungraded Cobb Coupon cards in the Universe? I don't, except for the one that was in that completed set done many years ago, which I believe now has been broken up and sold in pieces if memory serves...
The Cobb count could be representative of the max amount of Coupon's per player and the Cobb possibly, has a few that have been double graded/crossed over, etc. - My assumption would be there are 8-15 Coupon Cobb's including all graded/raw examples. You have to figure there are more Cobb's than other common players, so when I think of the definition of rare, I would say 8-15 examples is right in the sweet spot. I figure the average number of Coupons for most players is around 4-8.... What event happened to make these so limited? Break up of ATC, stop production? (May-1911). Hurricane of 1915?? It appears Coupons and Red Suns have similar production with Red Suns having a few more examples... Both are rare. Red Suns stopped production of the intended 2nd series at 75 cards. Was this at/around the time Coupon's were just starting production? 1911 ??? So many questions, but I feel like the darts are all around the bulls eye and we just need more time and research to connect the dots... Ramble end.
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Try and find some of these subjects with Tolstoi backs. Ted said he searched for twelve years and never even saw a scan of Rossman with a Tolstoi back. Here are the combined pop reports on some of the Coupon type 1 subjects with Tolstoi backs. Cree - 2 Donovan - 2 Dubuc - 2 Dunn - 1 Engle - 3 Hoffman - 0 Hunter - 1 Killian - 3 Laporte - 1 Rossman - 0 Thomas - 0 Willett - 1 Wilson - 3 Dunn, Rossman and Thomas were only recently confirmed with Tolstoi backs in the past year. Last edited by Pat R; 01-21-2019 at 11:29 AM. |
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Pat - That is very interesting. What do you make of such a ridiculously low pop for those players? Tolstoi is in that middle range of tough backs which shouldn't be too difficult to find, yet these are super rare. Have you been able to see if these players were possibly "late" into production for some baseball reason? i.e. traded, called up, etc. ?! Perhaps Tolstoi added them to production late !?
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Are the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards really T206's ? ....I think so. ....What say you ?
Jeremy
Here are 27 subjects in the 1910 COUPON set which were NOT printed with these following 350 series backs….. CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EL PRINCIPE DE GALES, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR. But were printed with the TOLSTOI back. Do we have enough imagination to figure this strange incongruity, or is this a case where...."Only the Monster Knows !" Byrne Charles Donovan (throwing) Doolan (fielding) Fletcher Hoffman (St Louis AL) Howell (portrait) Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands at mouth) Hunter Killian (portrait) Knabe Lennox Marquard (portrait) McBride McElveen McIntyre (Detroit) Mitchell (Cincinnati) Mowery Myers (bat) Paskert Rhoades (hands at chest) Rossman Schmidt (portrait) Starr Street (portrait) Summers TED Z T206 Reference . |
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of the 350 only subjects are difficult to find with a Tolstoi back here are the combined pop reports of another group of confirmed Tolstoi's. Anderson - 4 Bush - 0 Blackburne - 4 Cross - 4 Easterly - 1 Hoblitzel - 2 Kisinger - 1 McElveen - 3 Mowrey - 4 Oakes - 3 Ritter - 4 Smith, Heinie - 0 Zimmerman - 2 The didn't begin printing the Tolstoi backs until sometime during the 350 only series and I think it might have been towards the end of the 350 only printing as that would explain why most of them are scarce with Tolstoi backs. |
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Pat - one of the things that surprised me the most after trying to work on a Providence master set was how tough the Tolstoi backs are for that 350 group.
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Looking for a T206 Jimmy Lavender Cycle back plus several American Beauty and Tolstoi backs for Providence players. Successful sales transactions with jamorton215, gorditadogg, myerburg311, TAFKADixie, jimq16415, Thromdog, CardPadre Last edited by Rich Falvo; 01-24-2019 at 06:39 PM. Reason: clarity |
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The pages in it are from early 1909 through 1912 here's the two index pages I posted in the other thread ATC Index Ledger page 1.jpg ATC Index Ledger page 2.jpg Some of the pages have examples of the cards pasted to them but the t206 pages were all removed and sold. Here's one of the pages I posted in the other thread an American Beauty page with a Willetts pasted to it who as you know is in the t213-1 set. ATC American Beauty Ledger page.jpg I know your a Southern League collector so here's an Old Mill page from the journal. In partial it reads Began packing nat'l players same as those in piedmonts began packing Jan 8th 1910 Began shipping Jan 9th 1910 Began packing one nat'l + 1 so league pict 3/15/1910 shipping 3/17/1910 Discontinued 12/14/10 img421.jpg If the type 1's were printed in 1910 they almost certainly should be in this journal. Quote:
Since Ted seems to be reluctant to view the journal and points to the stylistic design similarity's as one of the reasons they were printed in 1910 all the brands are on the index pages except Coupon. ATC Index Ledger page 1 - Copy.jpg |
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at some point. Rossman T213-1 - Copy (2).jpg Rossman T213-1 - Copy - Copy.jpgEPDG Backs - Copy - Copy.jpg |
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Are the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards really T206's ? ....I think so. ....What say you ?
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Pat You have a better eye than I. Nice catch on the EPDG transfer on my Rossman card. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Are the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards really T206's ? ....I think so. ....What say you ?
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Here are larger front/back scans of the Rossman card. Rossman is an EPDG no-print; therefore, how can it have an EPDG transfer ? The Rossman card was printed with very few backs. Most likely because he was traded by Detroit to the St. Louis Browns (August 20, 1909). Plus, his Major League career ended Sept, 3, 1909. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Ted, It's a "storage" transfer not a factory transfer.
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