Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Oh I’ve seen other Browns (and have some more), was referring specifically to this exact design with same letter font. Would be cool to see this in red ...

Never have I seen an oversized Browns or Cardinals pennant (i.e. pre -1920ish)

[Duluth Eskimo]

Yes, I understand what you are asking

[thetahat]

This style of pennant is unique and intriguing. No cloth strip at the wide end. The only non-dated teams I’ve seen are the Browns and Cardinals. They also have dated versions from ‘38, ‘39 with tassels attached by grommets.

But then there are “Champions” pennants that date as far back as 1919 (Sox), same style, with grommets. I have a 1920 Dodgers, have seen ‘20 Indians and ‘33 Senators. Anyone have any background or info on these?

[bocca001]

Not sure about those Browns pennants, but did you (or anyone else here) happen to get the 1944 Browns (American League Champions) and Cardinals (National League Champions) pennants on eBay last week? I thought those were prettty cool.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Not sure about those Browns pennants, but did you (or anyone else here) happen to get the 1944 Browns (American League Champions) and Cardinals (National League Champions) pennants on eBay last week? I thought those were prettty cool.

I saw them, yes very cool, if they were full size I’d have gone all in. That’s the only ‘44 dated pennant I’ve ever seen in any size with the Browns’ Saint Louis (of France) logo ...

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

This style of pennant is unique and intriguing. No cloth strip at the wide end. The only non-dated teams I’ve seen are the Browns and Cardinals. They also have dated versions from ‘38, ‘39 with tassels attached by grommets.

But then there are “Champions” pennants that date as far back as 1919 (Sox), same style, with grommets. I have a 1920 Dodgers, have seen ‘20 Indians and ‘33 Senators. Anyone have any background or info on these?

I have no information on this manufacturer. But, metal grommets on pennants are certainly unique. I have seen them on collegiate pennants from the 1920s, like this one, which I noted also lacks a felt spine of any sort.

[perezfan]

The Cardinals had a matching style Pennant with painted spine and grommets (most likely from same manufacturer as the Browns). The Reds also used Grommets/no spine on a number of their 1960s 3/4 size pennants. I also have a full-sized Reds with the Grommets.

A few examples are pictured below. It's also notable that many "no spine" pennants of the era used sewn-on and even stapled-on tassels.

[thetahat]

I’ve seen the Cardinals also dated. So maybe it was a Midwest company. This pennant here is the same style.

[thetahat]

I hate seeing “Hey, pennant guys” demoted to page 2 of the threads ... so I was wondering, has anyone seen any 50s/60s style stadium pennants for minor league teams? Here are two that I have - I also have two different Buffalo Bisons pennants. Anyone?

[bocca001]

Here is a MN Millers stadium pennant that I have posted before. I think we can probably date it to 1956.

[Bumpus Jones]

Tampa Tarpons finery

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I hate seeing “Hey, pennant guys” demoted to page 2 of the threads ... so I was wondering, has anyone seen any 50s/60s style stadium pennants for minor league teams? Here are two that I have - I also have two different Buffalo Bisons pennants. Anyone?

Maybe we can get it to 2,000 replies and 400,000 views. It’s been a great run with this thread!

Greg, I haven’t seen many Minor League Stadium Pennants aside from the 2 you referenced. Here are a couple that are technically Stadium Pennants, but not quite in the same realm. Toledo is newer / Kansas City is older. Probably not what you were looking for in the true sense, but it’s something.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Maybe we can get it to 2,000 replies and 400,000 views. It’s been a great run with this thread!

You’re welcome.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Maybe we can get it to 2,000 replies and 400,000 views. It’s been a great run with this thread!

Greg, I haven’t seen many Minor League Stadium Pennants aside from the 2 you referenced. Here are a couple that are technically Stadium Pennants, but not quite in the same realm. Toledo is newer / Kansas City is older. Probably not what you were looking for in the true sense, but it’s something.

Great pennants Mark! I can only imagine all the beauties that you have stored away.

And yes we will get to 2,000! “Hey, Pennant guys” is running away with first place, kicking the butt of distant second “On the easel” ...

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Here is a MN Millers stadium pennant that I have posted before. I think we can probably date it to 1956.

Very cool! Interestingly, no Senators (I or II) or Twins stadium pennants.

The teams I’ve never seen in “stadium” version:

Phillies
Colt 45s
Mets (yes they have some with Shea but not from the same company)
Nationals/Senators
Twins

[hanes1111]

Picked this one up a while back , found it in a rubbermaid!

[Tigerden]

Keeping this great thread going. Here are some pennants that I was able to frame (finally) at a price I was comfortable with paying. The '37 crossed bats pennant I just picked up today. Its in excellent condition with the tassles intact. For the pennants I did not professionally frame , I opted for these wood frame pennant holders and just tuck the tassles in back. My mancave (basement) is pretty pennant heavy but what the hey, I love 'em.

[perezfan]

Those look fantastic, Adam...

I looked long and hard at that 1937 Tigers, as well. Gorgeous piece. And that green '45 Tigers is such a toughie!

Congrats on acquiring those rare beauties, and the nice framing as well!

[Tigerden]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Those look fantastic, Adam...

I looked long and hard at that 1937 Tigers, as well. Gorgeous piece. And that green '45 Tigers is such a toughie!

Congrats on acquiring those rare beauties, and the nice framing as well!

Thanks Mark. The 1937 was the quickest transaction I've ever had on eBay. We both lived in the same county and arranged for pickup at a local library only two hours after the sale. I always worry how the seller will package these pennants but didn't have to worry in this case. Adam

[Duluth Eskimo]

Adam,
Your pennants are great and condition is outstanding. Both those 1945’s are tough ones. Btw, I like the framing. Very subtle which allows the pennant and colors to pop. Nice display

[Tigerden]

Thanks Jason. One of the things interesting about the yellow '45 pennant if you look close the spine is actually two separate pieces of felt sewn together. I didn't notice it when I bought it and the seller (Heritage) didn't mention it in their listing. They are clearly original and not some later repair based on the stitching pattern and also the fact they are the same color. I'm guessing these are machine sewn and the person doing it came up short on this one and got creative. Has anyone ever seen this on other pennants? Its a first for me.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Tigerden

Thanks Jason. One of the things interesting about the yellow '45 pennant if you look close the spine is actually two separate pieces of felt sewn together. I didn't notice it when I bought it and the seller (Heritage) didn't mention it in their listing. They are clearly original and not some later repair based on the stitching pattern and also the fact they are the same color. I'm guessing these are machine sewn and the person doing it came up short on this one and got creative. Has anyone ever seen this on other pennants? Its a first for me.

Yes. I have seen it before Adam...

It's pretty rare, but I think they employed this technique when the "roll" of spine (or whatever form it came in) reached its end. The makers must've been pretty cheap, and rather than waste that last 4 inches, they just added a piece to make it whole.

I've seen at least 8 - 10 of this type over the years... all from the 1940s - 50s era. Pretty cool symbol as to how these things were so different back in the day!

[Duluth Eskimo]

I agree. It’s by no means common, but you see it every once in a while. Good stuff.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by hanes1111

Picked this one up a while back , found it in a rubbermaid!

That is a bizarre pennant, with the “backwards” lettering. Cool, that it has a maker that I don’t think any of us (especially Domer05) are familiar with.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yes. I have seen it before Adam...

It's pretty rare, but I think they employed this technique when the "roll" of spine (or whatever form it came in) reached its end. The makers must've been pretty cheap, and rather than waste that last 4 inches, they just added a piece to make it whole.

I've seen at least 8 - 10 of this type over the years... all from the 1940s - 50s era. Pretty cool symbol as to how these things were so different back in the day!

Yep, I’ve got a few. Most common among the early 50s pennants with the thick strip. Here’s one ...

[thetahat]

Great Tigers pennants, Adam. Tigers have the best vintage pennants, IMO. And for some reason they have the most dated pennants. Possibly every year from 1936 thru 1952.

The ‘45 WS pennant looks similar to the Cubs pennant, clearly they go together. Here are a couple of sibling pennants from a few years earlier ...

[thetahat]

I’m in the process of the long undertaking of inventory, will eventually take pictures of every pennant I have. Here are some Mets pennants from ‘69, some rare, all cloth.

[thetahat]

Here ya go

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I’m in the process of the long undertaking of inventory, will eventually take pictures of every pennant I have. Here are some Mets pennants from ‘69, some rare, all cloth.

I was able to take pictures of every (good) pennant I owned when we moved 8 years ago. It’s nice to have pictures, rather than having to go hunting. Good luck.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yes. I have seen it before Adam...

It's pretty rare, but I think they employed this technique when the "roll" of spine (or whatever form it came in) reached its end. The makers must've been pretty cheap, and rather than waste that last 4 inches, they just added a piece to make it whole.

I've seen at least 8 - 10 of this type over the years... all from the 1940s - 50s era. Pretty cool symbol as to how these things were so different back in the day!

That’s pretty funny. Frugality at its best.....or worst.

[bocca001]

Would love to see more of Greg's group photos, especially Giants and Astros/Colt 45s pennants.

Two new additions for me. The black Giants pennant to go with the blue, and the Redwood Pioneers of the California League of my youth. I've always liked the batter using the redwood tree as a bat.

[thetahat]

Here are my Colt 45s, and my favorite NY Giants pennants ...

[thetahat]

Here’s a cool Keezer Astros pennant, perhaps from their first year or two

[thetahat]

Here’s the more common ‘54 Giants version, except that it came with the ribbon and there are three tassels at the bottom!

[thetahat]

Forgot this guy

[thetahat]

... hmm, when I edit a post (usually when I forget to attach the picture) I can’t manage attachments.

[bocca001]

Greg- Great stuff. The 3D and 1951 Giants pennants are too cool.

I also really dig that Keezer Astros pennant. A somewhat moth eaten one was on eBay last year and I just could not bring myself to go for it. Hoping another one shows up someday.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Great Tigers pennants, Adam. Tigers have the best vintage pennants, IMO. And for some reason they have the most dated pennants. Possibly every year from 1936 thru 1952.

The ‘45 WS pennant looks similar to the Cubs pennant, clearly they go together. Here are a couple of sibling pennants from a few years earlier ...

I wanted to buy that Yankees pennant at the national in Baltimore, but he wanted to sell as a set. Nice set.

[Birderdj]

Considering trying to bleach this pennant, late 40s AAFC, any preconditions on how it might turn out?


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[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Birderdj

Considering trying to bleach this pennant, late 40s AAFC, any preconditions on how it might turn out?


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That pennant is most likely from the early 60's. Is it cloth with little loose threads or soft felt? If it's soft felt, I wouldn't try to bleach.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That pennant is most likely from the early 60's. Is it cloth with little loose threads or soft felt? If it's soft felt, I wouldn't try to bleach.

Looks like cloth to me, by inspection of the blue strip and the deeper blue from underneath where the tack was. That’s fading (very slight) indicative of cloth pennants. Nice one!

[thetahat]

There must be a dozen versions of ‘54 Indians, but this one is my favorite. It might be my favorite of all “modern” (not oversized) pennants. ...

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Looks like cloth to me, by inspection of the blue strip and the deeper blue from underneath where the tack was. That’s fading (very slight) indicative of cloth pennants. Nice one!

Yeah...The spine is definitely 60s.

[ooo-ribay]

To me, it’s a total bleach candidate. My blue on white ‘61 All Star Game and ‘62 World Series both came out fantastic. That said....your pennant; your call.

[hanes1111]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That is a bizarre pennant, with the “backwards” lettering. Cool, that it has a maker that I don’t think any of us (especially Domer05) are familiar with.

Yeah not sure exactly what it was from maybe a souvenir of some type but thought it would be an interesting share!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

There must be a dozen versions of ‘54 Indians, but this one is my favorite. It might be my favorite of all “modern” (not oversized) pennants. ...

My favorite as well... probably the #1 item on my want-list. That pennant represents the "perfect storm" for desirability...

Incredibly cool and detailed graphics
Commemoration of AL Champs
Dated 1954
Scroll of Names (on buckskin, no less!)
Politically Incorrect (something that would never be made today)
Insanely Rare

I would even rank it ahead of many Oversized Teens Pennants in terms of its rarity and coolness factor. But unfortunately, I think it will forever be a void in my collection. So will have to live vicariously through Greg's posts, continuing to believe it's a real pennant!

[perezfan]

Was anybody else watching this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintag....m43663.l10137

I must've looked at it 40 times, and could not conclude its origin or the era from which it was made. But based on close-up shots of the felt and especially the style of embroidery, I feel this is a more modern "fantasy type" piece.

It's very well done, but just a bit too polished to be from the teens, IMO. It might be from this company, as the embroidery is also pretty slick, and the length is also slightly oversized (at 32"). See link below...

https://fangear.epicsports.com/prod/...CABEgKiT_D_BwE


At $449, it sold for a nice price, but even that aspect is perplexing...

Went way too high for a reproduction/fantasy pennant
Went way too low for an original Oversized Red Sox Pennant

Eager to hear others' thoughts, as it appears the overall market was a bit unsure of this one as well.

[Fballguy]

My vote would be modern reproduction (if not homemade) and someone just spent about $420 too much.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

My vote would be modern reproduction (if not homemade) and someone just spent about $420 too much.

Agree 100%. There were only two really serious bidders. I think it could well be a homemade one off. Winning Streak makes nice pennants, but not that nice.

[bocca001]

I think it is modern as well. It has some of the same characteristics as the SF Seals Pennant I had that turned out to be not very old. It has the same cut to the tassels, the same sort of layering of material, and there does not appear to be a way to insert a stick (i.e., it appears that stitching closes off the potential opening at the top and bottom). If I recall, we got info from another member that the Seals Pennant was made by a company called Cooperstown... or something like that.