recent auto counterfeits - the effects on auto collecting??

[mrvster]

collectors are going to pour a lot of moola into autos, where as the dilution rate is increasing....(fake vs real)

future validation will be tough without decent provenance.....

sky is falling , collectors will just "turn a blind eye".....

nice if you have cash to burn......

investing or collecting in autos will be risky, because the fraud will only increase as proven today....

marino, t206 scam, whatever, I don't see it getter any better or solving the fraud without decent documentation or provenance...

an escalating problem with no apparent solution in sight....

[mrvster]

1 % guessed error rate on autos I think you would be wrong.....how many t206 auto cards are out there???? graded????? probably 200-300??? not sure

but finding 2 dozen or more in already a very small population is a HUGE ERROR RATE and that's just the ones found recently

yes, tps have cleaned up some of the "wild west" in the past where you basically just went on someones word....

and of course "no one is perfect" .....this is far from minimizing the scope of this latest scam of bad graded autos......tps will just cop out and say "just an opinion"....thus, decreasing our confidence in grading companies....

A FEW I can understand....the amount found recently is "more than a few", in t206 auto pop, its A TON!


showing very very very careless grading standards......basically, how can a graders really tell if the auto is legit?????? just by studying past ones????


c'mon....think about that....anyone can "study" someones auto so good, they can sign it themselves....


this is common sense

[Hankphenom]

The sky is falling, oh, woe is me, the end is near, what in the world are we gonna do now? What a bunch of bullshit.

[mrvster]

must have struck a chord with you too


this is common sense.....can not see why such intelligent collectors here decide to poo poo this.....

well, maybe if they are heavily vested in this.....they don't want to face reality...


Paul is a stellar example.....he is heavily vested in t206 autos, yet his response was , lets figure it out! he is a true hobbyist to me......I am very impressed by Paul's handling of this.....what a pro.....

I would have shit my pants

[mrvster]

20% is still a decent amount to be worried about

[mrvster]

"chicken little" using some common sense......


hmmmmmmmmmmm..........might be out of my league


hahahaha

[mrvster]

I always wanted a personal Babe Ruth.....

can you guys cook me up an 8X10 and inscribe it:

"to chicken little johnny v you da man, HOLLA ! Babe Ruth

[Hankphenom]

I'm just disagreeing with you, that's all. I honestly don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. Nobody's making you collect autographs, so why don't you find something you do like and talk about that?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Paul is a stellar example.....he is heavily vested in t206 autos, yet his response was , lets figure it out! he is a true hobbyist to me......I am very impressed by Paul's handling of this.....what a pro.....

I really appreciate this comment. Thank you for that. I obviously have a lot of thoughts about everything that’s been going on here, as well as the recent trimmed card thread. I have been keeping my thoughts to myself over the past couple of weeks because there are plenty of people who believe that I have biased opinions given how many signed cards I have in my collection.

A couple of Net54 members and other sites have said about me specifically (and similar collectors generally), “don’t trust the opinions of those that have been defrauded as they attempt to downplay the extent of the fraud.” It’s a fair concern, and one I will try not to contribute to.