Opinions on the T206 Green Cobb

[Rhotchkiss]

Johnny, isn’t a t206 set considered complete without Wagner, Doyle, Plank, Magie? If so, I think that’s the fact (based on rarity) that distinguishes the green Cobb from the Big Four. So, in my opinion, it will not become the 5th, which assumes “big” = price, not rarity. I think the Demmitt and O’Hara PB would get the nod over the green Cobb if we were adding “big ones” of t206.

[MVSNYC]

Ryan, I think Green Cobb in grades 1-5 outpace Demmitt & O’Hara. (Maybe even the higher grades too).

Just an interesting observation.

[mrvster]

also a great point!

maybe green cobb in regard to big 5 in price??????????

Frank

before you discard those "scraps" remember to check with me!
one man gather s what another man spills
one man's trash(actually) is another man's treasure...

beauty is in the eye of the beholder???

omg...I'm clichéd out

[mrvster]

definitely....

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Johnny, isn’t a t206 set considered complete without Wagner, Doyle, Plank, Magie? If so, I think that’s the fact (based on rarity) that distinguishes the green Cobb from the Big Four. So, in my opinion, it will not become the 5th, which assumes “big” = price, not rarity. I think the Demmitt and O’Hara PB would get the nod over the green Cobb if we were adding “big ones” of t206.

The Cobb green lacks the rare aspect of O'Hara and Demmitt, but it is still one of the best cards of one of the greatest players, and is collected by many across the hobby. Demmitt and O'Hara are only collected by advanced T206 collectors.

So the Cobb green may end up being just as scarce in terms of demand as the O'Hara and Demmitt.

[MVSNYC]

Interesting side note about Demmitt and O'Hara- Ted can elaborate (Hi Ted)...

They were (obviously) only distributed with Polar Bear backs, but they are not rare or scarce within the Polar Bear population, if that makes sense. Meaning they are no rarer than a Kroh, for example, with a Polar Bear back.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Interesting side note about Demmitt and O'Hara- Ted can elaborate (Hi Ted)...

They were (obviously) only distributed with Polar Bear backs, but they are not rare or scarce within the Polar Bear population, if that makes sense. Meaning they are no rarer than a Kroh, for example, with a Polar Bear back.

Hi Mike

Yes....and, no.

Your population comparison of Demmitt and O'Hara to other POLAR BEAR cards is true, but you have to qualify which ones. My theory is that these two St. Louis variations
were printed during the press runs of POLAR BEAR backs on 350/460 Series cards. The majority of T206's with POLAR BEAR backs are found in the 350/460 series cards.

But, your example of Kroh is not a good one. Kroh is a 350-only Series subject. And in general, the 350-only guys were short-printed with respect to POLAR BEAR backs.


TED Z

T206 Reference

[MVSNYC]

Hi Ted...that actually further illustrates my point (or makes an even better one)...

Thanks, Hope you’re well.

[Rhotchkiss]

Sean, my point is that it’s rarity, not value, that makes the Big 4, the Big 4.

Side question, would you rather have a Demmitt/O’Hara in a 5-6, or a green Cobb in a 5-6. I think it’s a close call (would rather have the green Cobb in a 4 or less)

Johnny, I get it with the Demmitt/O’Hara - I never seen the hoopla with these two, as you are correct that they are not rare among PB backs. In fact, I have never owned either. That said, whenever a real pretty 5+ comes up for sale (and maybe a smokin and clean 4), I often think long and hard about pulling the trigger.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

whenever a real pretty 5+ comes up for sale (and maybe a smokin and clean 4), I often think long and hard about pulling the trigger.

Ryan, here's a 3.5 in case you want to settle:


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[Rhotchkiss]

Michael, my bad - You and Johnny’s handle are very similar and can be easily confused at 10:20pm in Tel Aviv on New Years Eve! You can call me Ronnie for 2019.

Sean, that’s a good looking card, but it’s the 5’s that catch my eye. And BTW, I always liked the Demmitt over the O’Hara

[MVSNYC]

Ronnie, I mean Ryan, happy new year!

[Touch'EmAll]

A lot of collectors point to the demand side being more important than the supply side, aka rarity. The demand for the green Cobb probably is higher than the demand for the other biggies. What T206's would you consider of higher overall demand than the green Cobb?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Michael, my bad - You and Johnny’s handle are very similar and can be easily confused at 10:20pm in Tel Aviv on New Years Eve!

Are you kidding? You're in Tel Aviv and you're wasting time talking with us?

Happy New Year!

[ullmandds]

I think the green cobb has always been one...if not the most coveted non big 4 t206 as long as I've been collecting. Set collectors need the st louis variations which are more limited in # than green cobbs by a long shot. But I think the % of set collectors who need these pales in comparison to the # of people who want green t206. Not sure how much and how quickly the green cobb will continue to escalate...this past year has been quite a ride for the green cobby.

[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Sean, my point is that it’s rarity, not value, that makes the Big 4, the Big 4.

Side question, would you rather have a Demmitt/O’Hara in a 5-6, or a green Cobb in a 5-6. I think it’s a close call (would rather have the green Cobb in a 4 or less)

Johnny, I get it with the Demmitt/O’Hara - I never seen the hoopla with these two, as you are correct that they are not rare among PB backs. In fact, I have never owned either. That said, whenever a real pretty 5+ comes up for sale (and maybe a smokin and clean 4), I often think long and hard about pulling the trigger.

There are enough Magie cards that I wouldn’t say they are rare. 15 to 20 get sold a year. Didn’t Robert Edward Auctions auction off three of them in the same auction followed by PWCC two of them plus one straight listed on ebay?

[CobbSpikedMe]

I like the idea for discussion's sake, but don't think there can be a "Big 5" at this point. Wagner, Plank, Magie, Doyle, Demmitt, O'Hara have been established long ago as the keys that get eliminated from "complete" sets first due to their rarity. The green Cobb is just a very sought after card in the hobby and is collected by many people that aren't collecting T206s. Those people don't need a Magie. The demand is much lower for Plank, Magie, Doyle, etc. within the hobby in general. So comparing the prices of Demmitt with Cobb is apples to oranges. If the demand for Demmit was the same a green Cobb it would be way more expensive than a green Cobb is.

[MVSNYC]

Hi Andy, FWIW- "Complete" set is considered 520 (minus the big 4)...Demmitt & O'Hara are part of the "near set".

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Hi Andy, FWIW- "Complete" set is considered 520 (minus the big 4)...Demmitt & O'Hara are part of the "near set".

Hi Michael. Yes, but Demmitt & O'Hara are the next two to go when someone wants to make a "do-able" set (can we call it that?) at 518 which I've seen many times. The green Cobb isn't the one excluded from the "set". I guess I could've been more specific.

[MichelaiTorres83]

I would love to have a Doyle and Wagner. I simply can not afford them due to price so I would say price is what dictates the lack of those cards being included in most peoples sets. I can afford a Magie and a Plank but question the cost to have them. They are simply to expensive to liquidate. You can not simply put it on Ebay for sale and get a buyer that easily. How many people have 30 thousand dollars of liquid assets for a single piece of paper with a photo printed on it.

[MVSNYC]

My name is Michael, not Johnny.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by mvsnyc

my name is michael, not johnny.

lol

Shouldn't Murr'y be #5?

[MichelaiTorres83]

Fireworks on the auction close tonight. This card keeps exceeding expectations every time it sells.

[mrvster]

green cobbs still keep going strong been red hot now for a few years

[MVSNYC]

Yep Johnny, very strong prices, and not slowing down.

Last night:
PSA 2.5 = $7300
SGC 4 = $13k