T5 Pinkerton On A Paper Mount? AUT?

[Vintagecatcher]

Hi Leon,

I agree that the Archer is not a true photo which it should be if it is an original T5 cabinet.

Patrick

[drcy]

I think the paper backed ones will always be a bit of a mystery, but, for various reasons (including the mystery), the ones with the real cabinet mounts should be more valuable.

[Leon]

Personally I think it is a newly created and fraudulent card based on the photo. I can't imagine a TPG missing that. And so far, from what I have read, there is 0 factual evidence of these T5 photographic cards on paper mounts, coming from the factory that way. They might have and might have not. But the one in the link is not like any of these other creations.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T5-Pin...892:rk:82:pf:0

Originally Posted by Vintagecatcher

Hi Leon,

I agree that the Archer is not a true photo which it should be if it is an original T5 cabinet.

Patrick

[midmo]

I obviously have no idea of their origin, but the different mounts were at least acknowledged in the May 1976 issue of The Trader Speaks...

[ricktmd]

I also collected Pinkerton Cabinets since the mid 90's. I sold my last one in Goodwin's most recent auction (an SGC 70 Collins) . I have seen all kinds of Pinkertons but only count the actual photos or photos on mounts as described in the Standard Catalogue (which I believe to be the best source) as actual T5's. The postcards are an entirely different issue or issues . Information from REA or any auction house would be less credible than the Standard Catalogue in my opinion. Often when large groups of Pinkertons come to auction I have seen a variety of mounts. I suppose it is possible that people decided to mount the photos to non substantial paper like mounts. If the goal was to mount it to increase value, someone with that intent could find a cardboard mount and make it look closer to "real" then the paper or thinner and odd looking cardboard mounts that have popped up over the years. One thing that I look for is whether the photo is just glued at the very top of the image only which I understand is how they were distributed. If the entire photo is glued down SGC told me they would not give it a numerical grade just an A. This makes it hard to find them with numerical grades as it would seem likely that someone might add glue as the way it was mounted only at the very top is flimsy and could come loose. As far as PSA I think they graded it authentic based on their opinion of the photo being a true T5 photo which it appears to be. PSA has always been hesitant to grade Pinkertons and turned me down when I tried to submit some several years back

One thing is for sure it is a complicated set and hard to understand what is actually factory distributed and not altered or remounted. As a footnote which sheds further light on the value and desirability of Pinkertons, I walked around the 2018 National with the Collins T5 and several auction houses were interested. I showed it to several dealers including some board members. Most said it was worth 1,200.00 to 1,500.00. I thought 4,000.00 which is what Goodwin thought so I consigned to him. With the hammer it went for nearly 5k.
https://goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.a...entoryid=38184

[Baseball Rarities]

Here is an image of the T5 Pinkerton that is in question.

[ricktmd]

The photo looks real in the scan but I cant say for sure without seeing it. While PSA may not be perfect I suspect they can tell if the photo is actually early 20th century

[Leon]

Not one very experienced T5 and pre war person, who have spoken with, thinks it looks right. The picture on it could be period it's just not a T5 cabinet real photo. That is the problem. It is a different type of photo than every other one pictured, except for the incorrectly labeled W530 above, which this one actually looks a little like.

Originally Posted by ricktmd

The photo looks real in the scan but I cant say for sure without seeing it. While PSA may not be perfect I suspect they can tell if the photo is actually early 20th century