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12-27-2018, 03:58 PM
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In general I would trust SGC's experience over Beckett's. I am not familiar enough with the issue to make a call either way but if you are good with it and Beckett is good with it, seems like a 2 to 1 vote. Nice pick up.
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That's pretty crazy that one TPG thinks it's real and the other fake. Usually the difference in opinion is whether a card is trimmed or not. Maybe send it into PSA?
Edited to add: presuming you don't mind not getting the card back for a year.
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Here is a side by side comparison of Leon's and the one in the Library of Congress. These are the only two examples that I know of. Obviously the quality of the one from the LOC is much better than the other, but we have all seen the exact same Old Judge cards that have completely different looks to them based on how they have deteriorated over the years.
Last edited by Baseball Rarities; 12-27-2018 at 04:49 PM.
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12-27-2018, 04:50 PM
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I doubt I send it to PSA grading for their opinion. The science and the evidence make me feel it's fine. I think it would have been better if SGC gave it a ? instead of COU. They are still my grader of choice and I generally like their grading, but opinions can be different on things. And I thought this card was good so wanted another opinion.
Also, SGC has been known to review cards so I might have them look at it again in the future. No one is perfect. I could be wrong and BVG could be too. But I am leaning the way I am for now. The printing is definitely out of focus. But being in a book, or other mfg or elemental issue, could cause that. From my little experience I thought it was good when I first got it. Again, I could be wrong. Also, I had a good opportunity to return it to the seller for a refund and chose not to. Ps..thanks Kevin for posting those.
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To me sounds like Beckett went the extra step putting it under a microscope to verify paper composition where SGC didn't. Also with the fading and wear, could be some chemical reaction between elements of ink and paper in the book and with the card... Also where the book was stored for over 125 years may factor in also...
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12-27-2018, 05:23 PM
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If I had a history of sending a lot of cards to SGC for grading, before I accepted a counterfeit ruling, I'd want to hear from them why they graded it that way. It sounds as though Beckett applied some science to their determination. Certainly, for the amount of money and business that you give SGC, an explanation could be warranted in a unique case like this.
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12-27-2018, 06:36 PM
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It's a good thing it wasn't a signed card.... SGC's got a great track record of "authenticating" signatures on older cards....   Edited to add - it looks like the pictures/scans are not the same but we've seen where different scanners and settings provide a different image of the same type of cards.
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