Are the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards really T206's ? ....I think so....What say you ?

tedzan · #1 12-27-2018, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Hi, Ted, Happy Holidays. This topic reminds me of standing before a Shakespeare class and explaining that 'Shakespeare' is just a pen name. It makes the crowd upset.

My only concern in this post is the theory about paper loss on the back. I have not noticed a pattern of paper loss on the ones I have. Take care, all.

Rob

Happy Holidays to you....and, I got a

over your "Shakespeare" analogy.

Here is another one of my cards with a back problem. This one, though, only has cardboard residue on it from being pasted on a cigarette carton.
Which I'd say proves my theory that some of these 1910 COUPON cards were pasted on the COUPON Cigarette cartons.

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ritz Collector · #2 01-08-2019, 09:45 AM

Was wondering the same thing

tedzan · #3 01-08-2019, 06:24 PM

Any given day on ebay you can dial up T213 Coupon cards, and you will typically find approx. 200 cards listed. The majority
of them will be T213-2 cards. And, on the average as many as 20 % of them will be T213-3 cards.
Very seldom will you find even one "T213-1" card listed for sale.

It's obvious to me the 1910 COUPON cards were not designed to be inserted in the standard (10-cigarette) pack of that era.
My theory is they were either......
simply handed out to customers purchasing this new ATC brand, or pasted on a 200-count cigarette cartons,, or just placed
inside one of these cartons. In any event, this Willett was most likely the latter case. As it is the best looking 1910 COUPON
card in my collection.

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Collecting these cards, I have noticed that approx. 10 % (or perhaps as much as 15 %) of them have this type of paper loss
on their backs (which most likely resulted because these cards pasted on cigarette cartons). The repetitive spot-like spoilage
on these cards is too consistent to blame it on some random cause.

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This one, though, has faint cardboard residue on it from also being pasted on a cigarette carton. Apparently, whoever removed
this card from a carton did it very, very carefully. I've seen very few 1910 COUPON cards (less than 1%) exhibiting this type of
minimal back damage.

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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DixieBaseball · #4 01-09-2019, 10:35 PM

Ted - Love the Willett, but my favorite Coupon you own is the Pink Matty. Such a beautiful card! Here are a few more SL Coupons...

tedzan · #5 01-10-2019, 06:27 AM

Jeremy

Great stuff, guy......and, do you have all 20 of the 1910 COUPON Southern Association subjects ?

I need the 1910 COUPON card to complete my run of Greminger��

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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DixieBaseball · #6 01-10-2019, 08:42 AM

Ted - I had another Greminger at one point, and traded/sold it to someone in this Net54 community but that was many years ago. This is the only one I own now and it does comprise my SL run of Coupons. Took me well over 10 years to get all 20. As I mentioned in earlier posts, the grading companies are very inconsistent on grading these puppies. I have several that are off by a grade to a grade and a half both ways.

tedzan · #7 01-10-2019, 10:00 AM

Jeremy

From our previous conversations, I figured you had all 20 of the Southern Association guys.....congratulations.

Eventually, I'll find a 1910 COUPON Greminger. I'm a patient dude, when it comes to stuff like this.

Best regards,

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Pat R · #8 01-10-2019, 10:08 AM

Jereme, if the American Beauty checklists didn't match up with any
of the other backs in the T206 set like the Type 1's do I would agree
with you but they do and as a matter of fact they match up exactly
with several of the 350 series backs.

I also contend your minor league explanation supports excluding the
type 1's rather than including them because they would have had to
completely re-arrange at a minimum 2 or 3 sheet layouts in the
middle of printing all of the other T206 backs but if they were using
the plates/artwork after they were used on the T206's it wouldn't
interrupt the printing for the other T206 backs. This is one of the
reasons I asked where the 1910 date came from. Did they print
them right after the 350 only series was finished using the old
plates or did they have access to the plates/artwork and print
them after the printing of the 460 series concluded.

I haven't come across an ad that singles out Red Sun but here's a store
ad that lists Red Sun as one of the Liggett & Myers cigarettes they sell.

Liggett & Myers ad.jpg

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