T5 Pinkerton On A Paper Mount? AUT?

[glynparson]

T5 most definitely came on both paper and cardboard mounts. Some people need to go learn a few things before calling something bull shot. They have been known to have paper mounts for decades. Shocked Leon didn’t know this. Plenty of screw ups by tpg but obviously some of those that scream about tpgs don’t know as much as they act like they do ( not directed at Leon) I have been buying Pinkerton for a long time and have owned over 50 different in my life including several paper mounts that came from out of hobby collections. PSA and sgc both grade paper mounts and I believe bvg does as well

[Leon]

Why did they come on paper mounts? I had never even seen one until these which is fine as I definitely haven't seen everything. But it doesn't make sense. And what is your thought on the W530 flip i posted?

Originally Posted by glynparson

T5 most definitely came on both paper and cardboard mounts. Some people need to go learn a few things before calling something bull shot. They have been known to have paper mounts for decades. Shocked Leon didn’t know this. Plenty of screw ups by tpg but obviously some of those that scream about tpgs don’t know as much as they act like they do ( not directed at Leon) I have been buying Pinkerton for a long time and have owned over 50 different in my life including several paper mounts that came from out of hobby collections. PSA and sgc both grade paper mounts and I believe bvg does as well

[glynparson]

I believe they ran out of the nice mounts from what I have been told and some of the last issues came on paper. They are just like the nice mounts in that they come in several colors. It really is an odd set with tons of idiosyncrasies (sp?). I will look at your other post to se what I think about it.

[Leon]

Personally I think that story comes from the REA write up from 8 yrs ago .... What about it not being a real photo?

Originally Posted by glynparson

I believe they ran out of the nice mounts from what I have been told and some of the last issues came on paper. They are just like the nice mounts in that they come in several colors. It really is an odd set with tons of idiosyncrasies (sp?). I will look at your other post to se what I think about it.

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by glynparson

T5 most definitely came on both paper and cardboard mounts. Some people need to go learn a few things before calling something bull shot. They have been known to have paper mounts for decades. Shocked Leon didn’t know this. Plenty of screw ups by tpg but obviously some of those that scream about tpgs don’t know as much as they act like they do ( not directed at Leon) I have been buying Pinkerton for a long time and have owned over 50 different in my life including several paper mounts that came from out of hobby collections. PSA and sgc both grade paper mounts and I believe bvg does as well

Hi Glynn, I stand by my post. I don’t think either of us were there when they made these and having them pasted onto several different shades of paper is odd to me. If you have research you could provide us that would be great.

I certainly could be wrong. Just my guy opinion. Not en expert in T5s.

I also don’t think there is any upside to put these in holders. Someone could mistake these for the real deal and overpay which would be unfortunate and possibly the intended end game. There are some unscrupulous people in this hobby.

Warm regards,

T0by

[Jobu]

So, T5s are real photos but W530s aren't?

[jeffmohler]

I have owned T5s on paper mounts (almost like construction paper) and on the thicker stock mounts. I am not sure that we can definitely state that the paper mounts were issued by the Pinkerton Company, but with the number in the hobby, I think that they were cheaper mounts made at the end of the production run.

W530s are not real photos. Leon's Fred Clarke is a PSA labeling error. I have just about a complete set of the w530s and a number of dupes. I have been thinking of doing some kind of article on the interesting issues involved in this set.

Not to confuse the issue, but there is a Pinkerton subset that consists of Real Photo Postcards. So far only A's have been definitely identified, but I can't say with authority that there are not others. This subset is quite scarce.

[Leon]

Thanks for chiming in Jeff. I think it is plausible the thin paper mount T5s are legitimate and just as plausible they aren't. Until I see evidence they were produced by Pinkerton, or other ironclad evidence, I am not in that camp. Just my opinion on that.
However, the one posted in the link in the first post looks to be a photo engraved card, such as a skinned W530, and not a real photo?
One of the most experienced people I know in the hobby, who has no doubt looked at more vintage cards than almost anyone on this board. saw the linked auction and said "yuck" from the online picture. The Pinkerton RPPCs are some of my favorite cards...all of these are the same size in person.

Originally Posted by jeffmohler

I have owned T5s on paper mounts (almost like construction paper) and on the thicker stock mounts. I am not sure that we can definitely state that the paper mounts were issued by the Pinkerton Company, but with the number in the hobby, I think that they were cheaper mounts made at the end of the production run.

W530s are not real photos. Leon's Fred Clarke is a PSA labeling error. I have just about a complete set of the w530s and a number of dupes. I have been thinking of doing some kind of article on the interesting issues involved in this set.

Not to confuse the issue, but there is a Pinkerton subset that consists of Real Photo Postcards. So far only A's have been definitely identified, but I can't say with authority that there are not others. This subset is quite scarce.

[Vintagecatcher]

Here's a link to a previous T5 Pinkerton discussion.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...t=T5+Pinkerton

In addition, in 1986 Lew Lipset wrote on page 26 of his Volume 3 - 20th Century Tobacco Cards---1909-1932...

"T5 Pinkertons can vary in size, both in the size of the mount, the type of the mount and the size of the picture. Most desired and most aesthetically appealing is a 3 3/8" x 5 1/2" photograph without a white border adhered to a 4 3/4" x 7 3/4" thick mount which is embossed around the picture area. T5 photographs are often found off the mounts and can be found on less substantial backings which approach construction paper in nature. These are also believed to be "original" mounts and can only lead one to believe that the Pinkerton Company didn't care to control the quality of their product. Both the heavy cardboard and "construction paper" backings could vary with respect to color."

Patrick

[midmo]

Here are both mounts of Jake Daubert.