Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[packs]

Why wouldn't the auction house be out the money? The buyer paid for something they didn't receive that was represented as something it wasn't. The buyer is supposed to absorb the loss on something like that?

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by packs

Why wouldn't the auction house be out the money? The buyer paid for something they didn't receive that was represented as something it wasn't. The buyer is supposed to absorb the loss on something like that?

I think in most cases the TPA would reimburse.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

I think in most cases the TPA would reimburse.

But it would be up to the AH or consignor to pursue that, not the buyer.

[jad22]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

I think in most cases the TPA would reimburse.

Is that true? Since its an opinion in general some of the TPAs will disagree with each other. In this case, there is clear cut evidence that they are wrong. So are people all getting reimbursed by JSA/PSA/SGC?

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by jad22

Is that true? Since its an opinion in general some of the TPAs will disagree with each other. In this case, there is clear cut evidence that they are wrong. So are people all getting reimbursed by JSA/PSA/SGC?

No...I meant the AHs in this situation. But that's just a guess.

[packs]

I don't see how you could pursue a refund on an opinion.

If the auction description described the item as being an authentic signature as a matter of fact and not opinion, then the item was clearly not described correctly and that, in my opinion, would be grounds for a refund on the sale.

If anything I think this whole situation might have a positive impact on how descriptions for lots are written to reflect opinions for what they are. This is just a snippet from a description written by an AH for a signed T206:

Marquard has boldly signed the card on the front in blue ink, with the signature grading "9/10."

Now, that to me is saying that Marquard unquestionably signed the card. A more accurate description would say "the signature is bold and in blue ink, with the signature on the card grading "9/10".

[frankbmd]

Hey Brian, Brent, Al, Scott, Lee, Joe et al,

All future autograph auction listings should include the following verbiage:

”Presumed Authentic”

regardless of the authenticater or certification.

Problem solved. Your welcome.

[jad22]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Hey Brian, Brent, Al, Scott, Lee, Joe et al,

All future autograph auction listings should include the following verbiage:

”Presumed Authentic”

regardless of the authenticater or certification.

Problem solved. Your welcome.

That's good. "Here is a presumably unaltered T206 Ty Cobb card that is presumably signed by Cobb".

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't see how you could pursue a refund on an opinion.

PSA - the 'A' stands for Authenticator. One of the services they provide, according to their main webpage is "Autograph Authentication"

One of the main selling points of the TPAs is to 'authenticate' a particular piece of memorabilia (card, autograph, etc) therefore increasing the value of the item. See their claims of record setting prices for items they have graded.

They are not just selling opinions. That may be what you are getting, but that is not what the TPAs are marketing.

[RedsFan1941]

whatever happened to “Never get cheated”?