Most underappreciated/undercollected players

[packs]

Even if Seaver was a better pitcher it should come as no surprise why Ryan is more popular and collected. I would think that between the two, people would be more excited to see a game Ryan pitched in his prime than Seaver. When Ryan pitched anything could happen. You could see a no-hitter, 20 K's, or 20 wild pitches. You could expect a decent game with Seaver on the mound, but what else?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Even if Seaver was a better pitcher it should come as no surprise why Ryan is more popular and collected. I would think that between the two, people would be more excited to see a game Ryan pitched in his prime than Seaver. When Ryan pitched anything could happen. You could see a no-hitter, 20 K's, or 20 wild pitches. You could expect a decent game with Seaver on the mound, but what else?

A "decent" game? Good grief. As someone said, maybe Reggie, Tom Seaver was so good, blind people came to the park to hear him pitch. The man was an artist, the quintessential pitcher.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A "decent" game? Good grief. As someone said, maybe Reggie, Tom Seaver was so good, blind people came to the park to hear him pitch. The man was an artist, the quintessential pitcher.

I have no doubt that there are new stats guys out there who will patiently explain to you that Tom Seaver really sucked. I hear one coming now.

[Snapolit1]

Willie Mays.

[packs]

I don't know what else to say. Are you suggesting Tom Seaver was as exciting to watch as Nolan Ryan? I don't think many people will agree. It's like saying Beethoven was better than the Beatles.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know what else to say. Are you suggesting Tom Seaver was as exciting to watch as Nolan Ryan? I don't think many people will agree. It's like saying Beethoven was better than the Beatles.

It depends on what you're looking for. For people who appreciate sublime pitching, then absolutely. By your metric people would rather watch Dave Kingman than Hank Aaron, which is fine, it's all good I guess.

Ryan was a great pitcher no doubt. When he was on and could put the fastball on the corners he was virtually untouchable, but he never could do it consistently and frequently walked a ton of men and could be hit if you waited on him. Seaver, to me, is a very very top rank elite pitcher, Ryan a tier or two below.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Willie Mays.

+1


Bingo!


There have always been a lot of folks who considered Willie the best player ever...or, at least the second best.

However, it's been several years since I've heard his name mentioned that way.

Don't let the fact that he's not dealing with being old and deaf too well cloud your memories of exactly how great a player he was.

By finishing his career as a mere shadow of the player he was...and, doing so in New York, may have put more emphasis on the end and not the peak of his career.


You guys are comparing the value of the Seaver and Ryan RCs...well, there's a much bigger gap between Mantle's '52 non-RC and Mays's '52 Non-RC.

Most of us can afford a Willie (mine is a PSA-6), but the Mantle in that grade or even a PSA-3 is way, way out of my league!

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Except for 66T where Mays is the #1 card, I believe in general Mantles sell for several times what Mayses sell for.

[JollyElm]

There are 9 billion Nolan Ryan rookie cards out there, but 8,999,999,999 of them are way off center.