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12-16-2018, 02:05 PM
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12-16-2018, 02:10 PM
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Pete....
hahaha!!!
the t206 auto forger is probably working on this now! Hell......topps should buy a wagner and make "piece of history cards" put 1/32 of a wagner on each insert(like a bat card) sell $20,000 each! 32 cards X 20,000k per insert = $640,000 beater $250k- $400 k make a quarter million dollar profit 
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12-16-2018, 02:33 PM
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c mack....
this is what I'm saying......
sometimes we will "never know".....if you don't have a before and after photo.... the franken wagner that just sold maybe was 65% original??? when you consider the coardboard, the extra glue, ink ect.... it becomes too subjective... too much liability to forgery and fraud.... the hobby is polluted with this stank already... excepting this "restoration/recreations" is setting a future precendent that opens the floodgates to fraud and future forgeries..... it will pollute the hobby further......cards will be "restored" and "recreated" and "enhanced", and not holdered, or slipped by graders ect...opens us up to too much shit.... trust me, this is not a good thing  this worries me......future graded cards may actually be "restored" build up a corner here and there, add some ink, ugh, YUCK 
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12-16-2018, 03:08 PM
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Well all you have to do is call psa or sgc and see what thier stance on the subject is but I'm sure it's well over 50% , most of the card is there so it seems like a perfect candidate for the work. It's not like the restored work is fooling the graders so I dont the fear of Fraud with this stuff happening
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12-16-2018, 03:32 PM
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c mack
this particular card ....we had the "before" and "after" pictures.....plus had the restoration report.....
btw....the restoration report may not be accurate??? who is to say???maybe the original conservator forgot to document something else that was done???? btw...I will go out on a limb and say both SGC and PSA are absolutely CLUELESS sometimes...they change their minds and policies on grading cards....at one time they were grading errors , no names, color variations( sgc at least).....then they became "skittish" PSA are also clueless.....I doubt they would be able to tell all of the restoration that is / or will be performed and the cards in the future.... will all of these "future" restored cards have a "restoration report"??? I doubt it  PSA and SGC will not care, they get big bucks to slap these big cards in a piece of plastic and print "restored" on the flip.......then they get prob $3,000 to grade a card like the frankenwagner.... did psa produce a "restoration report" on this card?????  NO they got paid either way....and covered their asses by labeling "restored".... you think they would include their own findings???? like research the card and actually verify what the conservator did??? and produce their own report on the card....that would be too much work and cost too much  like the litho background was it reproduced by the "fill in ink???" I highly doubt it...this is a shitshow! hell, if I owned a grading company, I would at the very least scan every card that was graded and keep at least a data base.... I'm going to go out on a limb and say/assume that PSA probably didn't even keep a high res scan of the card before it was graded.... card restoration opens up too many "what ifs" and grey area........simply stated this will increase fraud prob 10 fold.... JOHN VANDERBECK
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12-16-2018, 03:49 PM
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PSA did not include a grading report, they would prob be afraid of the liability of "missing something" in the report....so it's much easier to just say "RESTORED" ....print a 20 cent label.....seal an almost half a million dollar card in a 2 dollar piece of plastic, while some 18 year old kid for all we know sealed it up
in the back room.....c'mon.....this shit is common sense!include credentials of the grader, include the amount of time spent grading the card, include the "extent " and detailed list either corroborating what the original restoration or "re creation" report either disclosed or didn't...then collect you r multi k grading fee... such a "high" profile card should be thoroughly evaluated, documented, scanned, and a detailed list cross checking what was "allegedly" done to the card to "restore" in this case "re create" the card...... I'm sorry again PSA .... I have to say this is weak......if card restoration will be accepted in the future, include and disclose all this info, before and after pictures , and detailed info from the grader! just to mention a few .... especially on such high profile cards......then justify the high price to slab it... even then I still would steer clear of any of these "creations" to each his own, but don't f up our hobby even more JOHN VANDERBECK
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12-17-2018, 02:56 PM
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